Poison and Black Blood

[graeme27uk]

Should be easy "yes" or "no".

 

When a model suffers poison (burning or such for that matter) then does this also trigger Black Blood (or any other similar "on damage" condition)?

 

If a model is killed by such, then does it count as being killed by that model that suffered the Poison damage.

 

 

I am thinking of giving Killjoy poison so that he can cause even more damage. His self-healing would mitigate the poison damage in theory when he activates.

 

But I guess this would work with any model with Black Blood.

 

 

[Falconrider]

Yes that's how it works. Nice trick btw, hope you don't mind if i steal it 

[MasterDisaster]

Should be easy "yes" or "no".

 

When a model suffers poison (burning or such for that matter) then does this also trigger Black Blood (or any other similar "on damage" condition)?

 

If a model is killed by such, then does it count as being killed by that model that suffered the Poison damage.

 

 

If a model dies by Poison or Burning they do not count as being killed by either crew as it was a condition that killed them, it doesn't matter where that condition came from. The only exception to this is the Firestarter who has an ability meaning he counts as having killed Burning targets within his aura. 

 

This is from the FAQ, Page 1. 

 

Q: If a model is killed by a Condition, which Crew counts as having made the kill?

A: No model or Crew counts as having made the kill.

[Bengt]

He is asking about models killed by Black Blood (that was triggered by Poison).

[MasterDisaster]

Oh! In that case yeah if Poison Triggers the ability Black Blood and the Black Blood kills somebody, who ever the Black Blood came from counts as having made the kill. that's also covered by the FAQ on page 1. 

 

Q: If a model is killed by an Ability or Action, which Crew counts as having made the kill?

A: When a model is killed as the result of an Action, the Crew controlling the Action counts as having made the kill. If a model is killed by an Ability, the model with the Ability counts as having made the kill.

[Kadeton]

That is some proper outside-the-box thinking there, very nicely done. You're basically trading Killjoy's regeneration for a 1" damage aura that resolves at the end of every turn. Tricksy!

[zFiend]

That is some proper outside-the-box thinking there, very nicely done. You're basically trading Killjoy's regeneration for a 1" damage aura that resolves at the end of every turn. Tricksy!

 

Yeah. Very tricksy. I love it

[cdhay]

Very nice. Might do the same with Nekima. And she can hurt herself twice as a 0 action so you could cause 3 damage a turn from 0 AP. And she has regen too to heal back up

[Cornelious1424]

This would be fun with McMourning and Sebastian haha!

[Tuttleboy]

Shenanigans! Quite awesome shenanigans, I must say.

[Falconrider]

This would be fun with McMourning and Sebastian haha!

I have been thinking along those same lines.

[Cornelious1424]

Also could be fun in a Molly crew, where a lot of models can have BB and poison!

[zFiend]

Also could be fun in a Molly crew, where a lot of models can have BB and poison!

 

This could be really bad in a Molly crew where you can summon more models.

[Snakeshit]

Poison with black blood is an enemies worst nightmare! Well actually any damage that is done to a model in small amounts. Like a sorrow dealing 1 damage if you fail a wp duel. When ever I come across a model with black blood I always try to kill it in as few hits as possible for this exact reason. So just be cautious and keep that in mind. A player that sees what you are doing might catch on. But if they don't have much to stop it they are going to feel pain which what I have felt before but you play and learn from that pain.  

[Verdeloth]

Well black blood can be slightly controlled to. Most models have 2" engange range so models can stand outside the 1" trigger of black blood

[Sholto]

Rafkin's Flask of Formaldehyde could really spread the Poison around friendly models in a Molly crew, making the end of the Turn pretty nasty for the enemy! Shame Rakfin really has no other synergy with Molly.

[graeme27uk]

I was thinking of using it for my Molly crew personally. Most things have BB or can be given/gain BB.

 

Molly's avatar allows you to hire Killjoy normally so you save 1ss. You could then purchase the Necrotic Preparations upgrade for that 1ss. From the last update I saw this adds further nastiness.

 

Bury Killjoy as normal.

 

Molly can summon her Necrotic Machine within 10" relatively easily on a 6  . You could use this 2 ways.

 

1) summon it outside of 3" of models so that it suffers full wounds and dies immediately once summoned. This allows you to unbury Killjoy within 3" so that he can charge. With BB and Necrotic Prep this means that the enemy would suffer 2 damage if they wound Killjoy with a MI attack. Last version of NP also effectively gave Wicked (damage on disengaging strikes). So you are stuck...... do you sit and face Killjoy's attacks; do you try and disengage and get damaged, possibly dragged back into melee anyway; do you fight back and take damage....

 

2) Summon within 3" of a model so that the necrotic machine comes in at a small amount of wounds. It can give whoever you want to attack black blood. Then get the necrotic machine killed, unbury Killjoy and attack the model with Black-blood. Killjoy is immune but everything around is now taking damage. And you are stuck with the scenario above.

 

Adding Poison and Black blood into that mix just makes it even worse. Again summon the necrotic machine behind Killjoy and get it to poison Killjoy.

 

 

Even more fun for the ultimate death squad, you hire Bete Noir as well with Decaying Aura and unbury her nearby so that enemy cant use SS within 4" and no healing.

 

Could give Bete Noir black blood as well and then follow up with poisoning her though she has no healing herself so more risky.

 

DOOM!!!!

[MasterDisaster]

This takes a lot of setup by the looks of it but it sure does sounds fairly horrific! (No pun intended  )

[Joel]

Giving things black blood that don't normally have it is rather useful at times.  I am currently experimenting with such lists with the neverborn.

[graeme27uk]

This takes a lot of setup by the looks of it but it sure does sounds fairly horrific! (No pun intended  )

 

Looks it, but in reality its rather easy.

 

Killjoy and Bete are both buried at the start so no issues there.

 

Necrotic machine you can either hire and kill off to resummons or buy another totem and then summon the Necrotic machine into position.

The only real set up needed is summoning the machine into where you want it. Everything else happens automatically following the death of the machine.

[zFiend]

What pops into my head, did this come up in the beta?

[Kadeton]

Not that I saw, and I spent a fair bit of time testing out Ressers (I just never used Killjoy in my playtest games).

[Joel]

I've been floating in a primordial magic, sacrificing it to spring a trap or plant explosives, and popping out killjoy for a while - tis fun!

[zFiend]

I've been floating in a primordial magic, sacrificing it to spring a trap or plant explosives, and popping out killjoy for a while - tis fun!

 

Ouch

[Daxxil]

you can also use Zoraida's Voodoo Doll to create a pretty nasty bomb with any of the models with black blood. Link the doll to a model with black blood and put the two in within an inch of one another. Damage either of them and do aoe 1" pulse of 1 dmg ticks until either the voodoo doll or the black blood model die.

[Kadeton]

you can also use Zoraida's Voodoo Doll to create a pretty nasty bomb with any of the models with black blood. Link the doll to a model with black blood and put the two in within an inch of one another. Damage either of them and do aoe 1" pulse of 1 dmg ticks until either the voodoo doll or the black blood model die.

 

Ah, yet another Black Blood loop-until-dead. Man, that ability causes so many issues. Well spotted.