ajay29 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Quick question, if an enemy model flips or cheats in the RJ for damage while within 3 of Nix, is it counted as a moderate+weak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 snazariah Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 You can't "flip moderate or severe". You can flip a 12 and deal Severe damage, or flip an 8 and deal Moderate damage, or flip a Red Joker and deal Severe + Weak damage. Actually... You can. Look at the original fate decks. It's printed right on the card in the top right corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ajay29 Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 To those who argue that the RJ is a separate category in itself regarding "the chart", what happens when a rat flips the RJ for damage? Does it deal 1 blight? (EDITED) And leveticus has that "half damage on a moderate or severe" upgrade (to the earth return), what if he flipped the RJ? 6 damage is still good, but maybe I'm flipping against mcmourning and I want 7 damage, for example. In both these instances, the RJ is a detriment to their abilities because according to your opinion, it is NOT a combination of the effects of severe and weak... And I want that damn sandwich... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MasterDisaster Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I disagree. The winner of this fight gets a sandwich. GO! You try to be the voice of reason in an argument and the Staff/Admins start talking about Sandwiches.... *Rolls Eyes* Oh well, I sit firmly in the camp that the RJ is a totally different damage profile yes it says Severe + Weak but the damages aren't applied separately, it see it as Severe + Weak = Total Damage applied. I don't agree that it should be Severe - Nix's ability = Moderate Damage applied then + Weak = Damage applied. However I can see where the logic in the counter argument especially givent he wording in the Rulebook. W: FAQ H: Sandwiches (Choice of filling optional!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 TheUnseemlyOne Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I disagree. The winner of this fight gets a sandwich. GO! What kind of sandwich are we talking about here? It's kinda a need to know to decide if the fight will be at all worth it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Dracomax Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Honestly, after rereading all the relavant segments, I see a strong argument that Nix would either get the Severe+weak, or it would become just Moderate. It says in the book that Red joker is always staged down to moderate, after all. That being said, I hope it's Italian Meatball with spicy meatsauce, Parmesean, and Onions on Garlic bread with Provel and provelone cheese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 The Godlyness Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 To those who argue that the RJ is a separate category in itself regarding "the chart", what happens when a rat flips the RJ for damage? Does it deal zero blight? And leveticus has that "half damage on a moderate or severe" upgrade (to the earth return), what if he flipped the RJ? 6 damage is still good, but maybe I'm flipping against mcmourning and I want 7 damage, for example. In both these instances, the RJ is a detriment to their abilities because according to your opinion, it is NOT a combination of the effects of severe and weak... And I want that damn sandwich... the rat would still apply +1blight regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ratty Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 the rat would still apply +1blight regardless. What, WHO, ME!? never.. *waits for Godlyness to turn his back* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ajay29 Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 the rat would still apply +1blight regardless. Noted, and above post edited for the mistake, but the point still stands that in certain cases if you take the RJ to be a category unto itself that its then a detriment to certain abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Dracomax Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I don't know that that is a good argument that it should not be a category unto itself. It just means that Red Joker is not always beneficial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ajay29 Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I don't know that that is a good argument that it should not be a category unto itself. It just means that Red Joker is not always beneficial. Do you not think it should always be beneficial? I'd hate to think there are situations where I'd rather have a severe than a RJ (as in the rat/Leve examples above) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Justin Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 You try to be the voice of reason in an argument and the Staff/Admins start talking about Sandwiches.... *Rolls Eyes* Oh well, I sit firmly in the camp that the RJ is a totally different damage profile yes it says Severe + Weak but the damages aren't applied separately, it see it as Severe + Weak = Total Damage applied. I don't agree that it should be Severe - Nix's ability = Moderate Damage applied then + Weak = Damage applied. However I can see where the logic in the counter argument especially givent he wording in the Rulebook. W: FAQ H: Sandwiches (Choice of filling optional!) I appreciate the voice of reason. I was hoping to highlight how right you were with a bit of irony and inject humor into the thread before people got too worked up. Has the issue been noticed? Yes. Will it be addressed? Yes. Should people get too worked up over it in the mean time? Probably not. Will the sandwich contain meatballs? THE FUTURE IS UNCERTAIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Fetid Strumpet Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I thought it was a Mediterranean Sandwhich. Toasted bagel bread with Hummus, and a dollop of fresh tapanade. Romain Lettuce, Red onion slices, smoked turkey, Feta Cheese crumbles, and a dash of greek dressing. Served with Kalamata Olives on the side, and Fresh Watermelon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 The Godlyness Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I think i just threw up in my mouth. That can not be called a sandwich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ausplosions Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I think i just threw up in my mouth. That can not be called a sandwich. Are you more of a Peanut Butter and Jelly man hey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 The Godlyness Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 PB and J is good not going to lie cheap and easy. But hummus? side of olives and watermelon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Fetid Strumpet Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 You've obviously never been to Greece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 The Godlyness Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 nope Afghanistan, Kuwait, Germany, Kyrgyzstan, Ireland. yeah been across the pond a few times. but still think of something more appeasing lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Fetid Strumpet Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Fresh feta with watermelon slices is amazing and served at lunch pretty much every day the two times I went. Its a pretty good sandwhich, but not everyone likes the same things. I dislike meat balls or meat loaf, and my wife dislikes olives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 The Godlyness Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 oooh and Qatar....Funny story though i was deported from there. (not for doing something bad btw) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Quick question, if an enemy model flips or cheats in the RJ for damage while within 3 of Nix, is it counted as a moderate+weak?
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Hmm. I actually feel like the Red Joker would still deal severe+weak, but wouldn't belabor the point. I mean, you're not dealing severe damage then weak damage with a RJ, you're dealing it all at once
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Why would the RJ be different than the BJ? They are both their own entry on the table. The BJ isn't 'Weak reduced to zero' so why would the RJ be considered Severe? I have to go with the RJ is it'
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True. That's why I can see it going that way. But my reasoning was that the table says: Black Joker No damage ... 11-13 Severe Red Joker Severe + Weak So it does actually specifically say se
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