Zorida and Obey

[sarge]

Hi, just added Zorida to my crew roster and just needed to check with the more experienced players that the plan as listed on 'pull my finger' is legal. ie: situation being she alread has a vodoo doll in play then....

Vodoo doll activates casting obey through its magical extension,

then zorida casts Obey for +1 casting expert and then creates another vodoo doll thus replacing the exisiting vodoo doll.

The new vodoo doll then casts obey with its only available AP

Thus giving 3 chances at obey in a turn?

The reason I ask is on Zoridas card it states Obey may only be used once, but does this refer to her casting it and not its casting via magical extension?

Its seem a pretty awesome and powerful thing to do and just wanted to check it was a legitimate use of activations.

Thanks

[Rathnard]

It works.

As an aside, the last few games I played her I actually used the voodoo doll only sparingly. You'd be surprised how much she can do when she's not tied up in the back field with her voodoo doll.

[sarge]

Thanks Rathnard,

I'm giving her a run out tonight, so will see how she performs.

I hadn't considered her as a master before, but played against her in recent tournament and she took me to bits!

I'm going to be using her with Collodi and a Widow Weaver I think, backed up by some ranged fire power from Tuco or maybe a hired in gunslinger.

She is looking like a totally awesome master in the right hands (maybe not mine) :-)

[Ausplosions]

But can you summon a model that you are only allowed one of?

There is already one in play, and so you would be unable to summon another, so the spell fizzles.

Where is the rule that states what happens to the first model?

Is it killed?

Sacrificed?

Removed?

My understanding was this could not be done...

[Adran]

The spell "Summon Voodoo doll" is what kills off any other Voodoo dolls on the table. Its written in its effects that it sacrifices any other voodoo dolls on the table

[Therril_83]

Another way to get a buttload of Obeys in, is to use Sorrows. You could link them to Zoraida, or to the totem and use magical extension via Siphon Magic (that would work, right? ME doesn't state a name, only "connected master", not even "this model's connected master"), or you could hire a doppleganger to mimic obey for one more cast, and then link sorrows to her for more casts, and she can even heal so the wounds won't matter either.

[sarge]

Wow...thats a lot of obeying! If you get iniative you could finsih off a whole opponents crew by end of turn 1...lol

[Sarsnick]

But can you summon a model that you are only allowed one of?

There is already one in play, and so you would be unable to summon another, so the spell fizzles.

Where is the rule that states what happens to the first model?

Is it killed?

Sacrificed?

Removed?

My understanding was this could not be done...

The rule is the previous model is removed (not killed).

Removing is pertinent because that means Elect rial Creations from Ramos do not insta pop when you summon a second one.

[Adran]

I thougth the rule was if you try to summon a model that can't be on the table for some reason _unique, rare limit and so forth the summon failed.

As such, I think you can't summon an electrical creation when there is another on already on the table.

There aren't any rules that I can see that means you are restricted to 1 voodoo doll, its just the spell that summons 1 also sacrifices all other connected to Zoraida.

[ravenborne]

The FAQ explains what happens when you try to summon a model and there is already one on the table:

"What happens when a model attempts something that it couldn’t do, like cast a Spell to create an additional Rare model when my Crew’s maximum number of that model are in play, or casts a borrowed Spell that requires a Weapon/Ability my model doesn’t have?

You cannot attempt the Action. If the Action would not work, reset back to before the Action began. If an event would require the model to enter play (such as a Pine Boxed third Viktoria coming into play when a Death Marshal is removed from play) the model does not enter play."

[Ausplosions]

Okay. So usually no you can't, I but this spell allows for it.

[Rathnard]

Actually IIRC the above rule was in reference to Rare models, which the voodoo doll isn't. In the case of the doll it can be summoned, but needs to attach to a master (Zoraida) once in play. Hence the wording of Zoraidas summon action.

[Twisted Metal]

So how about an electrical creation or Ikiryo?

[merlinman]

Zorida is special.. read her summon voodoo doll spell, it says to remove other dolls and summon a new one......

[sarge]

Zorida is special.. read her summon voodoo doll spell, it says to remove other dolls and summon a new one......

Used her for the first time recently and found the summon a vodoo doll to sac the other and then connect the new vodoo doll to a victim was great.

And using her ability to summon wicked dolls for no scrap counters or any other resources other than AP usage is massive...

combining this with the widow weaver (although more work needed on how to use widow weaver to her potential is required by myself!) allowed me to pop up a little army of doll warriors with ease :-)

[Adran]

So how about an electrical creation or Ikiryo?

These are unique and so there is a restriction to 1 friendly one on the table. If you already have one in play, you can not attempt to summon another one.

[Boardgameguy]

I really like to get a good group of Vodoo dolls out especially on certain strategies then they can zoom to Zoriad once she gets up the field with Raven.

[Ausplosions]

Except it sacrifices them, so you can't get a "good group" of voodoo dolls.

[EnternalVoid]

Except it sacrifices them, so you can't get a "good group" of voodoo dolls.

I am suspecting, and hoping, he means Wicked Dolls. I have done that with them before where I just needed some cheap signifiant models to interact with things. Having them hop out of where ever Zoraida is for a (0) Action is nice.