Lets talk competitive Seamus

[Zachilles]

Hi everyone, first post and glad to be here. I did a search for Seamus tactics and read the pullmyfinger article on Seamus and I just wasn't getting quite the info I'm looking for. There have even been a few starting Seamus posts in the last few days and I've read them but I promise mine is different.

The issue I'm having is that the models recommended on the wiki are what I would call models that fit his theme, Belles, Sybelle, Bete, and Copycat Killer, and when I come to the forums the models suggested aren't even mentioned in his wiki article, Von Schill, Dead Rider, Night terrors.

I'm not interested in a theme or fluffy list, his theme and fluff are the reason why I'm playing Seamus over Kirai or Pandora, so now I want to squeeze as much as I can out of him regardless of his perceived power level. I've read more post on this forum than is probably healthy, I know CalmDowns views on HtW2 and I understand Seamus is considered by some to be a low tier master in a low tier faction, but I'm still gonna play him so now I need your help figuring out how.

This is where I'm starting at, I love Von Schill, Seamus, and his avatar, Luckily I hear those are all pretty good. Other than that everything else is free game, what kind of pool do you take with Seamus to a tournament? what is your go to all comers Seamus list? Any sneaky tips for Manifesting? I've seen people mention Taelor and Convict gunslingers, what outcasts does Seamus like?

Thanks for anyone that takes the time to read this and reply

[Fetid Strumpet]

I'll help out as much as I can with this post when I have some extra time. Reserving this space for getting back to a little later. GL to you, Seamus is my favorite master and I've personally never found him what I would call competitive, which depresses me. He's no where near the league of Pandora or Kirai, both of which are also Masters I play. I hope if you discover any tips you'll pass them on. Signing off just for a little.

[Boshea]

Don't take my opinions with a great deal of weight since I know next to nothing about ressers other than theory and playing against Kirai and Mcmourning. To me, Seamus's weakness comes from being a weak summoner in a faction known for summoning. Given a crew of generic good-stuff Resser models he doesn't really bring anything that another resser master couldn't do better. For a combat master I feel Mcmourning does it better, and both Nico and Kirai have better summoning options.

[Zachilles]

Haha discouraging first two posts, but its ok! I'm still on board, excited to hear what others have to say

[LordZombie]

Welcome to the Forums and the world of Malifaux. Don't worry, it is kind of odd in the fact that you normally run into discouraging post way more than encouraging post here, but I guess that is helpful also (in a way?). Seamus was the first Resurrectionist set I got and I played him for a while. Unfortunately, I was still pretty new to Malifaux at the time so I was not playing Malifaux the way you should play Malifaux. I found Seamus works well with the models in this box set mainly because he can only make belles, he helps belles move faster so there is kind of a link there. With all the strats and schemes there are I find it hard to make a link that would take on everything. To me, it really just depends on the strats and schemes being used. Night terrors are great for dealing with enemy shooting and crooked men work well with the belles and their lure spell. I never have used outcast mercs, so I can't offer any help there, but the gunslinger with Seamus' own gun could set up a nice gun line. So for me, I use the Redchapel gang most (his box set) and add in what I need for objectives. I am no master of Malifaux, but hope that helps out some.

[Fetid Strumpet]

All right, let's examine Seamus purely from a competitive Standpoint.

Firstly keep in mind my opinions are based on my personal play experiences and based on being addicted to Malifaux and watching all Tourney Reports and battle Reports I can. Now also in the interest of full disclosure you must also keep in mind that my play group is very small at the moment. That said I'd also like you to keep in mind that just because my play group is small it also doesn't mean I need to L2P. I understand Malifaux very well and feel justified in any opinion I give. Now with that said please do not take my word as gospel. Please take what I say, keep it in mind, but play Seamus to the max and make up your own mind. If you have better luck with him than I have I hope you will share what you are doing. It is possible that you will discover something I just haven't thought of. Now on to our favorite dapper serial killer.

Seamus' Design has issues, also let me say I'll be mainly comparing him to the other Book 1 Masters. Kirai is honestly so far above all of them that, in my opinion, comparisons to her just aren't useful. Now, you've probably noticed that Seamus doesn't kill things anywhere near how well McMorning does. He Also doesn't have the flexibility of Nicodem. He also Summons less well than either of them. So in Book 1 Seamus' bag of tricks seemed to be Terror and Survivability. The problem is that one of those abilities is almost worthless, and the other is just not the case. We'll leave Terror for now and look at the other of Seamus' supposed Strengths, Survivability. Simply put, he isn't.

On the surface Seamus looks like he could survive an atomic bomb being dropped on him. He has 12 Wds, which is tied among many models for the most wds in the game, he has h2w2, which means that an opponent will never get to cheat, unless they can ignore it or have +twists to dmg baseline, and he is Hard To Kill. He also has Necrotic Ministrations which can heal him and give him cards, as well as live for pain, another healing ability. The issue comes in because, while these all abilities look good on paper, in game most of them turn out to be less than effective. Firstly he has a low Def. That means you are going to be hit. For some reason Wyrd decided that the Ressers would all have crappy stat lines, especially in Wp, and most especially in Df. A 5 Df in many other factions is pretty run of the mill, ho hum. With the ressers 5 is "OMG Amazing". So Seamus is going to be hit. He is going to take dmg, and while he does have 12 wds, if you have a min dmg of 3 that's only 4 hits to take him out. If your min dmg is two then that's six attacks, but they can come from your second string because it is not hard to hit Seamus, which is where the next issue of his survivability comes into play, H2W2.

If you've done as much reading as you said you have then you know the arguments for and against H2W2 being a bad thing. You'll have to judge it based on the games you play. From the sum total of all the games I've played with all my crews he is the master that dies most often out of all of the others. Now while it's true I've played many more games with Seamus than my other masters (Save perhaps Kirai) I think his death rate can be easily understood without needing to resort to the argument that it is just games played. Seamus, without any question, is the easiest to kill master I play. He dies about in about half the games I play with him, and a good percentage of his deaths can be attributed to a Red Joker flip on H2W2. If it never happens to you, or if your meta never learns to exploit this, awesome for you. That said we can leave this for now.

So next we move on to Seamus' other abilities that are supposed to keep him safe. Necrotic Ministrations and Live for Pain. I doubt you'll get much use from them as with the advent of book 2 and 3 most of the competitive models in the game are not living. So most of the time you'll only be getting the heal and card from Ministrations when your own models die within 6" of Seamus, which I find, doesn't happen very often. Once the opponent has Seamus on the ropes they usually kill him first, then worry about his minions. You might find this different however, and perhaps can learn to exploit this tendency.

Live for Pain is a 6" Ranged Attack Spell, which I don't understand the design decision behind. The practical upshot of which is that the spell can only work on models just over 1"-6" away from Seamus. As once you are that close you have better act before them, or you are going to be bogged down in Melee and then won't be able to use it.

So Seamus isn't really Survivable at all. McMorning is as easy to hit as you, but he has a monstrous cache, and his ability to heal is tied into melee attacks, which is something he wants to do, and does really well. Nicodem is easier to kill, sort of, until he gets Mindless zombies around him, then he becomes very difficult to take down. So Seamus falls down in the Survivability department. Let's look at his next strength, Terror.

Terror is a subpar ability for several reasons. Firstly it is a flat #. Outside of a few situations you cannot do anything to force an opponent to fail, and thus fall back. Pandora can cheat a high card, and then spend a soulstone when her Ca Trigger pops up, thus helping to ensure the ability gets through. Static numbers don't work that way. Also added to the issue is that when a susceptible model encounters terror their WP vs the terrifying # ratio is pretty low. Seamus has a Terror score of 12, which means that an average Wp of 5 will pass the check on a 7 or better. So 29 cards of 54 will just auto succeed, and with that many cards cheating one is rarely going to be a problem. Keep in mind that once a model passes their check, they don't have to check it again as long as they stay in the range of the terror score they already passed. So if, say, the judge charges Seamus and passes his Terror check he won't have to make one again as long as he doesn't let Seamus get away. Now there are some tricks with this, but I think you can see the issue. Add to this that Terror only affects living models, of which there are a rarity. On the positive side almost every master in the game is living. On the downside all Master's have use SS, which again makes it hard to get it to work, or they happen to be immune to Terror via having it themselves (Seamus, Lucius, aPerdita, etc) or have an ability that makes them immune to it (frozen heart). So Seamus' other strength isn't going to win any awards for competitive effectiveness. So what is Seamus good at, and unfortunately not alot.

Seamus' cb on both his bag o' tools and his gun are mediocre at best, so if you want to hit with them you are often going to need to use a SS, which is another area Seamus has issues with. He has a criminally low Cache, which means you often have to decide between bringing a fleshed out crew or giving Seamus a cache of 8, which he really needs. You can also only fire his gun once per turn, and although it has the highest printed dmg spread of any gun in the game, many, many others have effectively the same dmg arc, with often longer ranges, and better cb, and they can be fired more than once a turn. His cb triggers can be useful, but both are very situational. Excessive bleeding could be an awesome signature ability, except that Seamus has a good amount of trouble escaping from combat, See def 4, uless you lure him out with a belle, and Seamus' walk is only 4, so even if he gets free he isn't going to be booking across the field, giggling manically as he hands out insignificant. Slit Jugular is neat, but is Suit dependent, and is only effective if used at the right time, so it's very niche.

Also keep in mind that many f his abilities either do things that we have discussed about that don't really work all the time, or get him into cb, which is not really where he wants to be, or only work on living models.

So if you are playing Seamus what can you do to mitigate these issues. Firstly don't hire resser minions. With a few exceptions resser minions are pretty bad overall, and you have options and acess to merc outcasts who are very good. Von Schill is amazing. I didn't sy he was amazing with Seamus, Von Schill is actually just flat out amazing. If you include him in a Seamus crew it is actually better, I find, to think of Von Schill as the Master, and Seamus as a tag along support model. If you do hire Von Schill you can't use other nonfreikorp mercs. So If you decide not to bring Von Schill you might want to look at Desperate Mercs, which I find work ok with Seamus, and the Convict Gunslinger.

Another thing to look at is to look at running Seamus as a swarm. Remember Seamus isn't going to be summoning all that often, so if you bring a ton of 2 SS cost models you not only can stack the crew to possibly achieve Army of the Dead, but you also make it possible for Seamus to take advantage of Necrotic Ministrations, either for cards, or to heal if Seamus gets caught in combat. Be aware if you go this route that you might be giving your opponent exterminate as it can be easy for the opponent to exterminate beasts or living. The other advantage to swarming is that if you bring the avatar (which I almost always would) it makes more models Terrifying. If your opponent is susceptible to Terror, swarming them so each model has to take multiple terror tests is one of the few effect ways to utilize this ability. Also be careful about the amount of non-undead models you include. An ability many people rave about, but I've never had much success with is Undead Psychosis. The more living models you include the less effective this ability is.

Now that we've looked at some of the reasons I find Seamus not to be effective, and looked at one or two tips for how to make him as competitive as you can, we will continue to examine more tips in a future post. I appologize for breaking it up, but this is a wall of text and I'm drifting off as I type. I'll share additonal things I've found useful tomorrow morning.

Edited April 2, 2012 by Fetid Strumpet

[marshimartian]

I for one think Seamus has got a bad rap.

First of all, the best advice for any Master is always hire for your Strategy. Barring a fixed list tournament, this is really what Malifaux is about, achieving your goal, which isn't always to crush the enemy.

Seamus is not a Summoner like his counterparts, rather, he's a buffer. Seamus and Molly can make Belles rather fast for any Resser model. Seamus and Sybille can alpha strike with belles. Don't underestimate this synergy.

More importantly, his Avatar is a monster (literally). The ability to terrify everything is priceless, remember that Anathema doesn't care about immunity to Morale Duels and doesn't just target living models, it gets everything. More importantly, don't forget that while falling back, models get a on all duels except for Morale duels. Taking away the ability to cheat is a huge handicap for any model.

Some tips on Manifesting. Try to out activate your opponent, saving Seamus and at least one belle for last. Face of Death is easy enough to cast, and don't be afraid to soulstone of you're going for that turn 2 Manifest. Run Seamus up as close to one of their minions as possible and turn on No Escape. Then, using that belle you saved, lure the model. Obviously saving more than one belle can increase the range. Once lured within [6"?] of Seamus, he charges. Once again, don't be afraid to soulstone to get that Slit Jugular trigger.

As for minions, taking a Nurse with his Avatar can be mean, I once faced his Avatar who was fully healed by the Nurse after I was almost able to take him down. Molly's summoning and belle synergy can help replace Seamus' normal role, as he doesn't do either while hulked out.

Hope some of that helps!

[Cornelious1424]

Seamus is very much like his own Bag o' Tools. Within his rules comes a proper tool for the job in a given game situation, in my experience though, he is very unforgiving because of this. He is all about positioning, one miss play or failed action can really put you in a bad/game losing situation.

What makes him bad:

Most of his rules are useless against the book 2, more "competitive" masters, as they require models to be either living or undead for them to take effect. I'm talking about Necrotic Ministrations, Face of Death and Trail of Fear. He is a poor fighter when going head to head with another master. He is Df 4, so he is always taking damage from strikes. HtW2 makes most of the flips weak, but damage is still damage. Seamus has a lowly SS cache of 2, amongst the lowest in the game, accept for Outcast Masters. He is a poor summoner, only being able to summon non-unique Belles and only once per turn as it's a 0 action.

What makes him good:

Belles of the Ball makes all models with the Belle characteristic pretty quick. Undead Psychosis can keep models from engaging your crew, and Seamus. I like to use it to deny people objectives by parking Belles on objectives after I've hit a few enemy models with a cast or two. His combat triggers with his Bag o' Tools are pretty decent when used right. Excessive Bleeding is awesome to make enemy models insignificant for the game, and it's an auto trigger upon landing a strike. Slit Jugular can kill a model outright if used at the right moment, but a :crows is required. Wp 7 is really high for any model. He can really take advantage of living crews with most of his abilities.

I have tactics I can share but for now I'm too tired to type, so I'll have to get back to you tomorrow on crew selection and tricks.

[Nyarlanthotep]

The way I look at it there are two very effective ways to play Seamus.

The first way, which I find works well is to use of Seamus' gun to put down a lot of damage. Firstly you will need a decent Pool of Soulstones, I take 1 a turn as my minimum Pool for this kind of crew, as you need to make every gunshot count. I consider Belles to be the second part of this equation, you either use them to get the enemy into position or to get Seamus into LoS for his shot. Now there are going to be times when Seamus fails to kill with his gun, and for this eventuality you need a second model that can put out a reasonable amount of damage. Von Schill fits this role quite nicely. Though I quite like going with a Convict Gunslinger and Jack Daw. Set up Jack Daw, then drag the target into his aura. With them being unable to cheat, and the amount of damage the Convict and Seamus can put out you can almost guarantee a kill against any model in the game. Jack Daw also synergizes with Seamus' other Wp abilities. You are not going to be able use these ability against every crew, but I don't feel it matters as even without them he can really help support Seamus.

The second way to play Seamus is to go for playing to his Wp strength. Now as you don't know whether your going to be playing against a living crew or not, you can't guarantee it will work with basic Seamus, and this is where his Avatar comes in. So what do you need in the rest of the crew? models that will either help Seamus manifest, or models that will help him once he has manifested. There are quite a few good models to look at. Night Terrors are really nice, they are fast so great for grabbing objectives, they can give Seamus a bit of protection and they have an aura that can lower Wp. I also like Molly, after Seamus has manifested you can't summon new models, so Molly can fulfill this role. Also Molly can copy spells off other members of your crew. This is often overlooked, but take a Hanged in your crew. Copy off his spell that stops the opponent's model healing and halves their wounds. Then throw it at the enemies toughest model with a soulstone, a Lilitu that can't heal is a dead Lilitu, Coryphee run for the hills if they can't pull back and heal themselves etc. And it's not like the Hanged won't be useful anyway. They have quite a few nice tricks in their own right.

So this is my suggestion, don't try to do everything with him,

Either

Make a list that is about maneuvering and taking down targets one at a time.

Or

Go for a list that is about Manifesting and scaring the bejezus out of the enemy.

Edited April 2, 2012 by Nyarlanthotep

[Zachilles]

Thanks for all the comments so far they have been very helpful

[SoulG]

Seamus' big advantage is Belles of the Ball. I usually spend my first two to three turns putting Seamus wherever that ability will be most useful and fulfilling manifest requirements for aSeamus. Then it's a matter of good positioning. Remember, Nightmares, etc are -not- immune to Moral duels, only Terrifying. Bellowing of the Big Bastard + Wicked wins games.

Speed 6 Belles are a force to be reckoned with in terms of objective running. Speed 7 or Speed 9 Sybelle with Call Belle lets you get objectives up to 21" away. On that note, don't be afraid to blitzkreig into an objective with Sybelle every time you get a high Mask. If you feel the need, attach a Grave Spirit to her to save her a few hits, but I usually don't bother.

If you have a strategy where you use Night Terrors or The Drowned you're better off using McMourning. Compared to Night Terrors / The Drowned, Sybelle sling (possibly throwing in Molly for insurance) is better if there's only one or a few objectives. They -can- do A Line in the Sand as well and it's a tossup what's better at that point.

I usually do 2 Belles + Sybelle or 3 Belles. 3 Belles + Sybelle is too focused and you'll start to really lack punch at that point. Another niche list that I've had a disturbing amount of success with is aSeamus + McTavish + Sue + Nurse + 2 Belles.

[Zachilles]

So Von Schill, Dead Rider, and Jack Daw are all expensive models that can do a lot of damage on the field. In what situations does each shine with Seamus?

[rancor709]

Von schill excels in virtually all strategirs with seamus. Dead riider is good in movement. Based strategies. I like him a lot in line intbe sand. Jack daw helps against neverborn as there access to magical weapons islimited

[CannonFodder]

I find the following a fun list, especially when you opponent has deliver a message

Ressurectionists Crew - 35 - Scrap

Seamus, The Mad-Hatter

--

4 Pool

+ Seamus, Avatar of Dread

[2ss]

• Bête Noire
  [9ss]
  
  
• Desperate Mercenary
  [2ss]
  
  
• Killjoy
  [12ss]
  
  
• Necropunk
  [3ss]
  
  
• Nurse
  [5ss]
  
  

Basic strat is turn 1 reactivate necro punk and as late as possible drop Kill joy and Bette noire in you opponents deployment zone and wreck havoc on any plans, and stall for time. Turn 2 use nurse to reactivate Seamus to manifest a turn early auto-shrugging the sacrifice.

Basically a early strike heavy hitting list.

In general I find the Seamus theme lists are meant to work via attrition, but lack enough firepower to pull it off, which why I you see VonsSchill, conv gunslinger, Killjoy, Sue, Taelor are needed. The Resser faction on the whole is based around summoning which is why they lack (in general) the heavy hitting power those merc bring.

[Nyarlanthotep]

I'm not sure, Killjoy and Bete are cool but don't have any direct Synergy to Seamus.

Ressurectionists Crew - 35 - Scrap

Seamus, The Mad-Hatter

--

8 Pool

+ Seamus, Avatar of Dread

[2ss]

Molly Squidpiddge

[9ss]

• Night Terror
  [3ss]
  
  
• Night Terror
  [3ss]
  
  
• Rotten Belles
  [4ss]
  
  
• The Hanged
  [8ss]
  
  

I would generally run something a bit more like this for Avatar Seamus. The Night Terrors have SO much synergy with him, they are tough so can survive, and can throw down -2Wp auras which just beefs up all his Terror abilities.

Molly can take over summoning from Seamus when he Manifests, but not only that she become Terrifying and Pitiful all the time, If you want to charge her in combat, you end up having to take 2Wp checks, and with a Night Terror around that becomes very unlikely. She can also pick up Whispers from Beyond from the Hanged and start wrecking face with it. Having a model lose half it's remaining wounds is scary, even more scary when you can't heal it.

The Hanged is a great model. A single hit from this and the target is getting a on all it's future Wp tests.. lets see a Combat Model get at aSeamus when he's having to take a Terrifying test at , especially if you have the -2Wp aura up from a Night Terror.

And the Belle, because well you have to have a Belle, and well they become rocket fast with both Molly and Seamus in the crew.

[Fetid Strumpet]

I was running something similar to this. I personally only found it ok, the problem is that it doesn't drop any CC for Molly to use, and if you are bringing her you Really want to be able to be able to access her summoning late game when Seamus can't any longer, they only real saving grace of Molly, I find, is to be able to drop the relatively resilient Sybelle on something late game, or pop a Belle upfield.

I find the Molly Seamus combo works better with swarms, especially if you are bringing the Avatar. I have some analysis of what I've found else successful with Seamus, but it's a little long at the moment, trying to edit it down. This list does have potential if you drop Molly and bring something else threat related, like Von Schill, as then you aren't tying up points for summons.

[Zachilles]

When I looked at that list the first thing I thought of was dropping Molly for Von Schill. I can see Molly's synergy and how she works with Seamus and his crew but I can never see myself taking her over one of the big 3 I mentioned earlier

[Sandwich]

Seamus isn't really underwhelming, and he has gotten a bad rap.

The problem with the perception of Seamus is that it hasn't changed since book 1.

In the first book, Seamus was the tank, meaning that versus other masters in the first book, his strengths were high survivability, amazing utility, low damage and moderate mobility. That was his niche, that was his place. If you brought Seamus into a game you were doing so knowing that your motto was "Outlast, atrophy, victory."

The design philosophy for the first book was along the lines of "Multiple, powerful stand alone minions that received small augments when working with a specific master."

So if you took a Punk Zombie with Nicodem, you knew you could make it a Cb 9 Df 7 killing machine, but you could still take that same Zombie with Seamus and get a ton of use out of it, too.

With the advent of Book 2, the paradigm of Master / Minion interaction shifted, to where Masters and their intended minions had MASSIVE amounts of synergy compared to any of their book 1 counterparts. (Compare Sonnia and her Witchlings to Dreamer and his Nightmares, Seamus and his Belles to Kirai and her ghosts.)

Where in the first book, the interactions between crew members was fairly limited, the second book had minions that absolutely were made to compliment their master. (Cassandra with Colette, Nix with Hamelin.) and these minions brought little when taken with masters they weren't made for, some even having absolute restriction to their intended master.

This creates a problem because you now have two seperate grades of crews, those made with eachother in mind, and those specifically designed to work together.

All of the most skilled players quickly understood that simply by introducing new masters and models into the game with a drastically different design philosophy would change every model in the game, because you can't just keep using one master for what he was in the first book for what he becomes in the second book.

So you get a lot of players who are introduced to Malifaux on a dated belief system and attempt to follow that system throughout the lifespan of the game.

Seamus is no longer a tank, is what I'm saying. He's no longer the big bad of the meatshields. He's evolved into more of a manipulator.

Low damage, moderate survivability, high utility, fantastic mobility.

Think of Seamus more like Colette than McMourning, because that's really what he's become.

Seamus will never survive a prolonged fist fight with any book 2 beatstick.

His advantages are outdated and will always fail, and sometimes will even work strongly against him.

To find any kind of competitive success, you just have to understand that your whole ideal of Seamus has to be "Fast moving manipulator."

Because his Belles can strongly displace enemies via Lure.

Because Onyro can strip Immune to Influence and deal some pretty decent damage as well as apply a significant debuff upon death,

Molly can bolster movement and reduce enemy defenses (Or steal spells and just go crazy)

Doxies can drastically reduce the combat prowess of enemies,

Crooligans can camp an objective until the second coming of Leveticus.

Night Terrors can go explode across the map and capture pretty much anything.

And all of those models together work really, really well.

Models I personally don't use and suggest against, are The Drowned, The Hanged and any spirit[EDIT: Any Spirit that isn't an Onryo or Night Terror.] that isn't an Onryo.

Because

The Drowned: Bring little to Seamus. They've got slows and low damage output but aren't repaceable and give you nothing when they die.

The Hanged: Eight points for a model that adds nothing new. If you're versus a living crew, yeah, go ahead and take them. But the uncertainty of who you'll face and the lack of living models usually make these guys a no go nowadays.

Edited April 5, 2012 by Sandwich

[Oshova]

Models I personally don't use and suggest against, are The Drowned, The Hanged and any spirit that isn't an Onryo.

So you don't take Night Terrors? I hope this is just a slip while typing, and not a gaming mistake. No Resser model is as good at getting objectives as Night Terrors.

Other than that, it's some very sound advice (although I still don't like Molly, no matter what spells she can steal)

[edonil]

I don't think most people think of Night Terrors as spirits, but as beasts...

[Cornelious1424]

Seamus isn't really underwhelming, and he has gotten a bad rap.

To find any kind of competitive success, you just have to understand that your whole ideal of Seamus has to be "Fast moving manipulator."

I could really quote the whole thing, but that's just unnecessary. Great points all around, and it's posts like this that make me wish you would contribute more to the boards.

[osoi]

Sandwich shares a lot of similar views to myself with Seamus, you have toplay smart with him

[Sandwich]

So you don't take Night Terrors? I hope this is just a slip while typing, and not a gaming mistake. No Resser model is as good at getting objectives as Night Terrors.

Other than that, it's some very sound advice (although I still don't like Molly, no matter what spells she can steal)

Sorry, yes I use Night Terrors. I mentioned them specifically in the post, and just used the "Any other Spirit" as a general term.

Absolutely need Night Terrors in some cases.

[rancor709]

+1 Sandwich. With a +2 bacon modifier

Seamus has become jack the ripper. Hide in the shadows denial game that strikes and retreats out if retailiation. The speed a molly seamus crew can generate is fantasic and remember seamus isnt awesome in all strategies but hes got 3 other masters to take.

[Mydnight]

One thing I'd like to chip my 2 cents in is Outcasts. As has been mentioned Von Schill will be very strong (I just tried him for the first time the other night, HOLY SCHNIKES!), and other models have been mentioned but I'd like to elaborate a bit on them.

Desperate Mercenary: These guys are good as they're cheap, go out in a blaze of glory if you need it, and provide a corpse counter.

Convict Gunslinger: I was told early on as a Resser that if you wanted ranged support you went to the Gunslinger. While he is not as mobile as Von Schill, he has the potential to lay down a LOT of firepower as well as being a cheaper option. No other model that I own has a higher kill score than he does. While it is mostly luck, if you end up with a high mask in hand it can be really easy to get off multiple shots (especially considering the paired pistols).

I have only recently gotten the Viks box and haven't had time to try Taelor, Bishop, and the others, so I got nothing there.