magicpockets Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Just got back from our local club where I played Big Z against Pandora. Highlight had to be Baby Kade charging my Bad JuJu and doing 2 wounds taking him down to 10 wds left. He then uses his melee expert to hit me and gets a negative flip - red joker in the negative flip, severe on the extra flip, +2wds for sweetbreads trigger = dead bad juju in one activation. Even though I was on the receiving end that's still pretty awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippieshopper Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 I watched a game yesterday where it was Lady J's crew versus LCB and he had the Scales of Justice focus strike LCB and red jokered him to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rathnard Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 There are so many reasons I love this game, but the random insanity that often happens when you flip a red/black joker is awesome. It makes games much less predictable and incredibly entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverEnding Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Yesterday I played the viks vs ortegas vs lilith. last turn all that was left was santiago nino and a wounded gun vik, last shot i black jokered defense and santiago flipped a weak and couldnt cheat higher. I won the game with 1 wound on vik and the 2 points for an annouced bodyguard. It was so intense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenjester Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 One game I was running Sonnia against Rasputina. I overextended myself (not so good at eying measurements lol) and flipped the red joker on a Fire bursts damage flip. It was incredible! With Sonnia's 2 inch trigger, I managed to blast his whole crew to dead or mostly dead. A little mop-up with Samael's ricochet, and full victory in a turn or two after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 To each their own, but I hate it when I win through a random red joker on a highly negative flip. Feels a bit like the joker robbing me of the game - "it would've been a great, even game, but that random :-fate:-fate Red Joker killing your master kinda ruined it." Definitely my least favourite rule in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadaka Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 I enjoy the red joker effect when it comes out of the deck but not out of some ones hand. That being said I enjoy crit's and fumbles found in other game systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 I enjoy the red joker effect when it comes out of the deck but not out of some ones hand. That being said I enjoy crit's and fumbles found in other game systems. Just to clarify my view, I like the red joker. I just don't like getting it on flips. Especially through cheating duels down (or through hard to wound effects and such). I mean, if you haven't seen the red joker yet, and have, say, only 12 cards left in the deck, cheating down from to :-fate changes your chances of getting the red joker from 16% to a whopping 25% with rather minimal changes to the expected non-Red Joker damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sezar Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 +1 on the Red Joker winning games on flips hating. I would change it so that Red Joker still counted on it, dealing Severe Dg, but no additional Dg Flip from it if one or more 's were present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elazar Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) The same maths works in reverse to be fair. You finish the duel with a :+fate result and you've got a much higher chance of flipping the Black Joker too making all the cards and soulstones you cheated in to get your initial duel result worthless. That's the beauty of the system. The Jokers are wild cards like they're meant to be! Edited April 19, 2011 by Elazar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 The same maths works in reverse to be fair. You finish the duel with a +fate +fate +fate result and you've got a much higher chance of flipping the Black Joker too making all the cards and soulstones you cheated in to get your initial duel result worthless. That's the beauty of the system. The Jokers are wild cards like they're meant to be! But you can count cards, which is painfully easy in the case of jokers (actually, since they're so important, it's kinda hard not to) so you can make informed decisions that can affect the chances in really big ways. Since the swing from weak damage to Red Joker damage is so huge, the impact can be game ruining. I've yet to see a Black Joker do something similar (well, other than in the case of Jack Daw). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elazar Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Well I've seen a player throw their highest card from the control hand and their last soul stone at a duel only to see it fail miserably when the black joker comes out for damage leaving their master prone and unable to prevent the damage. Yes the Red Joker can swing things massively but that's the point and the fact is when the Black Joker comes out it ruins even the Red Joker's fun! Had that happen on a flip got the red joker on the first card so had that moment of elation only to flip the black joker and cancel it all out on the second card! I suppose though really it's a matter of taste. It's actually one of my favourite little quirks of the game but I can understand the opposite opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciaran Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 But you can count cards, which is painfully easy in the case of jokers (actually, since they're so important, it's kinda hard not to) so you can make informed decisions that can affect the chances in really big ways. Since the swing from weak damage to Red Joker damage is so huge, the impact can be game ruining. I've yet to see a Black Joker do something similar (well, other than in the case of Jack Daw). I see your point, and I'm not trying to convince you otherwise (that's never very productive anyway!). I've had the Black Joker cost me a game on a defensive flip. My Zoraida was being spell cast at by Rasputina, it was bad, I'm still a little sensitive about it... With the amount of fate manipulation that we have with this stuff normally I couldn't even be upset... well, I WAS upset, just not Nerd Raging... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostwalker Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 In many ways i love the whole balance of the red black joker fun. I have had games where all i needed was that 1 elusive wound and the black jokers caned the flip. I rarely ever get the red joker out for damage. But in a game a couple of nights ago i made a damage prevention flip with 2 wounds remaining and a potential 4 suffering. Flip out the red joker and spend the next minute laughing at a full health master in turn 6 of a slaughter mission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodschow Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Jokers are meant to be random and either amazingly good or utter fail. If you don't like them, it's not hard to houserule it and simply remove them from the decks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 I watched a game yesterday where it was Lady J's crew versus LCB and he had the Scales of Justice focus strike LCB and red jokered him to death. Nothing will ever top Jack Daw smacking a Guild Executioner for the game winning VP, ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emissary Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Few weeks ago I had McMourning flip the red joker on a damage against Sonia Criid. Got just enough to kill her. Then I watched her flip a black joker on the prevention flip to get her outright. Was pretty hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thought trauma Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Leveticus severe damage and bette noir being "placed" near an objective for the win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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