Svenn Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 So, an interesting question just popped up... Can Zoraida hire Ophelia? Zoraida can hire any model with WP 4 or less, correct? Ophelia has 4 WP. However, Ophelia's rules state that (at least in a Brawl) she can only join crews with Gremlin, Kins, Pigs, and Vermin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notmikehill Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 I'm afraid not my friend. You can hire Ophelia the henchman in a scrap using the ability, but not any other models in her hiring group. A similar question has been resolved using Hamelin's Growing Command ability. http://wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14197&highlight=ophelia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin Swarm Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Is that a typo? I ask because the other hiring limitations I've seen are most commonly for a scrap (the smaller game size), rather than a brawl. (I'm waiting for my (just shipped) book 2 to arrive, so I can't check the actual wording yet.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svenn Posted August 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 So, in a Scrap you CAN hire Ophelia with Zoraida? So that means, assuming there are enough Kin members with WP 4 or less, you could have a crew led by Zoraida where she hires Ophelia and then a bunch of Kins with WP4 or less? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodschow Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 At +1 SS each.. Sure.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rathnard Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Hmm, that seems quite convenient considering I ordered Ophelia's box. What about Ophelia's kin? Can Zoraida hire any of those (assuming wp4) without taking Ophelia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodschow Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 I don't have the book yet.. But I think you can.. You'll be limited in the quantity of 'Kin' special forces though as always.. At least those are my assumptions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Albrecht Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Each of the LaCroix Kin are 4 WP. If you hire Ophelia (or any special forces leader), you are no longer under the Limited to 2 Models rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 (edited) I am looking at the book right now and: Jonas has it right, all the Kin models are WP 4 or less. I'm afraid not my friend. You can hire Ophelia the henchman in a scrap using the ability, but not any other models in her hiring group. A similar question has been resolved using Hamelin's Growing Command ability. http://wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14197&highlight=ophelia The thread you have cited has not been resolved yet, the reason it is still open. A rules marshal will close the thread and move it to the resolved forum when it has been. @ Gremlin Swarm, none of the henchman have hiring restritions in a scrap when they are not the master. All hiring restrictions for henchman apply only when they are the master in a scrap or when they are included in Brawls. To address the original question, there is some debate Here but as her rules are written (if henchman can be used as a second master in a brawl) currently Ophelia could not be paired with anyone but Somer in a Brawl if she was used as the other Master (in which case she gets the Henchman reserve) or as a henchman (in which case her crew gets the additional Soul Stones from not having the second Master). This may change as they release future models. Edited August 19, 2010 by Omenbringer improving clarification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliver Chocobo Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 At +1 SS each.. Sure.. Does this change in a master game when your using Zoraida and soma'teeth jones as masters and hiring Ophelia as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svenn Posted August 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Does this change in a master game when your using Zoraida and soma'teeth jones as masters and hiring Ophelia as well I don't think you can do that. In a Brawl Ophelia can only be in a crew with Gremlin, Vermin, and Pigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin Swarm Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Thanks, Omenbringer. I was wondering about that. It just looked a bit odd, but it sounds like it's covered by how the new rules work. (I'll be able to know for myself as soon as my new book gets here, which should be soon, since it's enroute.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 (edited) The hiring limitation of Ophelia should only apply if Ophelia is the only master in the crew (see special forces). I'm sure you are just reading to much into that limitation. Reread that to make sure it doesn't say Ophelia can only hire crews with such and such. Otherwise all the new Henchmen will put such a limitation on hiring outside of their special forces that you can't even hire a Master to join them since they are hired too. Edited August 19, 2010 by Murphy'sLawyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svenn Posted August 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 The hiring limitation of Ophelia should only apply if Ophelia is the only master in the crew (see special forces). I'm sure you are just reading to much into that limitation. "In a brawl, this model may only join Crews which contain Gremlins, Kin, Pigs, and Vermin." It says may only join. Nothing there about being a master. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 "In a brawl, this model may only join Crews which contain Gremlins, Kin, Pigs, and Vermin." It says may only join. Nothing there about being a master. If this is the case I just went from "Yeah henchmen!" to "Blah". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svenn Posted August 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 If this is the case I just went from "Yeah henchmen!" to "Blah". Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at... They seem too limited to me. Or, at least Ophelia does anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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