MontanaJeff Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 (edited) Just wondering if anyone else has had experience with the P3 primer. I just used it to prime my Sonnia box set and I am not thrilled with it: 1. the mist is way too fine. I had to do a ton of coats to get good coverage. 2. It did not adhere as well as the GW primer I have used in the past. 3. It seems to dry slower and stinks longer. So far, I'd say my favorite primer is definitely the GW black primer. Yea it's $15 vs $10 for the P3 but the nozzle is better, the density of the spray works better (for me) and the adhesion seems better. Anyone else have any suggestions or thoughts on these (or other) primers? Edited October 9, 2009 by MontanaJeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werecat Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 I don't like any primers by a game company. GW is good, but SUPER expensive. Armory and P3 are just bad. I use Rust-0lium(sp?) Sandable auto primer. You can pick up a can at Wal-Mart or your local auto part shop. Excellent Nozzle, nice wide spray patern, and will cover completely in only 1-2 passes. GREAT stuff. And only $5 a can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MontanaJeff Posted October 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Yea, I didn't like the armory either. GW is expensive. I'd like to try the Rustolium or Krylon primer. I use Krylon matte finish to seal my models (not glossy at all). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenstuff_gav Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 GW's white is shocking! Hycote's Matt Black is £3.25 in my local car shop and is great stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AoM Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Duplicolor Sandable Primer. Available at pretty much any auto parts store in the US. White, Light Grey, Dark Grey, Black, and Rust. $5 for a full size rattle can. best primer I've ever used (and it's actually a primer, not a black spray paint like what GW sells). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozart Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 I haven't tried the P3 primer but I haven't heard anything good about it. I will avoid it. I use Duplicolor sandable primer as well. Suggested by Fluffy back when she was still with PP and I have been using it ever since. Great stuff. Get it at Advance auto parts or Autozone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freedoom Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I have used P3, GW, Armory, Duplicolor, Board to Pieces, Krylon and Rustoleium. Avoid GW, it's way too expensive Avoid Armory, i have used two cans of it and they were both bad. The paint came out flaky and made the mini fuzzy from BOTH cans. Board to Pieces was alright but about 2/3 of the way through the can the spray started splattering and not going on evently and even a soak of the nozzle in paint thinner couldn't fix it. Krylon and Rustoleim were both ok, i didn't purchase them they were my LGS's "here you can use this primer" cans I am currently on my first can of P3, i'm using their white primer. it goes on fairly smooth, a bit thin in some spots but it think a change of angle of the can will help since it has the nice flat stream, if you try and spray it right at the model you aren't actually spraying right at the model but above it. you need to cock the can down a bit to get it aimed right. i like it quite a bit Duplicolor has been the best quality for the price. can't beat $3-5 a can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsquid Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Odd. I've been using Black P3 Primer, and it's worked out fine for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Gasp! A Press Ganger who likes a PP product? I kid, I like the P3 ones as well. They've worked fine for me in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamwulf Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I think the P3 White is probably the best white primer I've ever used. Now the P3 Black... reminded me a lot of the Duplicolor Sandible Primer (the one I usually use). The differences: The P3 Black stank to high heaven, and it took longer to dry. As in, I used a blow dryer to speed up the process for my second coat. Funny enough, the white doesn't have this problem... To the OP: Did you wash your mini's before the primer? All parts/minis have a bonding release agent on them that if it's not washed off, your primer won't stick or flake off. Another item- do you wash your hands before handling your mini's in raw form? People with wet, sweaty hands or dirty hands rub that stuff off onto minis. Which, once again, make it very hard for the primer to adhere to the mini. Was there a significant difference in temperature between the primer and the mini's? As in, was the primer kept outside in the garage all night where it got to 50 degrees, while your mini's where inside at 75 degrees? This also adversely affects your primer. Lastly, was it really humid outside? Like 75% or better? When you say a ton of coats... how many are you talking? I typically do 3-5 primer coats on my mini's. I let each layer dry before going on to the next layer. I have noticed that the P3 White does seem a bit thin, but I'd rather have a too thin primer then too thick (like GW or Armory). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bexley Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Rustoleum for gaming, Mr. Surfacer 1000 for display. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelmor Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 It actually sounds like you needed to shake up the can a whole bunch more than it was. I have never had a problem with the stuff and would say it is the best "game company" brand primer on the market. That said, go to a place that sells real primer and get some better stuff for 3 bucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breten Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Army Painter's primers are solid. So far I've use the SKeleton white and one of the greys. Best coverage and drying time I have used EVER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavic Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I am a big fan of Army Painter as well. I am currently using the grey primer they offer for all of my Malifaux minis and they have turned out great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Duplicolor is awesome and fairly inexpensive. And like Angel_of_menoth says it is a real primer versus most of the others glorified spray paints. White and black have great coverage and I have yet to have it cover up any detail. The tooth is perfect (allowing the top layers of paint to bond better) and the finish is durable (it doesn't wipe off like most of the other brands with handling while painting). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MontanaJeff Posted October 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Wow, thanks for the tips... - I thought I shook it enough, maybe need to do more.... - I brush my minis with a toothbrush, then wash them with mild soap and let them air dry - Humidity...what's that? MontanaJeff lives in Montana - Temperature difference, no. minis inside, paint inside (ventilated of course) Anyway, I've got a full can and I'll probably use it up. Maybe, like wine, it'll get better with age With the GW stuff I usually spray from 10 to 12 inches away maybe need to be closer with PP? I still think the mist is too fine though, seems alot of it just dissipated into the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magno Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Tamiya White is bar none the best I've used. I just did an experiment. I already had the GW and Armory White, I bought Tamiya and Krylon and primed some extra minis I had. Tamiya came out the cleanest, dried the quickest, stank the least and the base coat colors worked out the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerdelemental Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Problem with Tamaya is it's availabilty. You've got to actually want to find it. Magno, how do you think it relates to Duplicolor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Tamiya (and another I forget) are highly recommended by a lot of the Professionals and multiple Golden Demon winners. Though as was stated availability can be rather limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breten Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I use Tamiya grey primer, but it's not cheap. As in more expensive than GW. I pay $18 CAN for a can of GW primer, and $12 for a can of Tamiya, but the Tamiya can is half the size of the GW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magno Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Never tried the duplicolor Nerd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 i thought it was good. But i guess to each his own. I miss Boltgun primer.... -CC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetsamurai Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I've used the duplicolor enamel paint and the result was disastreaous. guess this is not the product that you guys used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkeldar Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Duplicolor Sandable Primer is what you need to look for, and it is what I prefer, but I'm using a can of Rustoleum sandable primer now. I'm satisfied with the finish, but I'll go back to Duplicolor when this one runs out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werecat Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I've used the duplicolor enamel paint and the result was disastreaous. guess this is not the product that you guys used Yeah, completely different. You need the sandable primer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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