Obey blocking

[MrPieChee]

A question in two parts:

Can two different models obey the same model? (Pretty sure they can't since it says this 'action' cannot target, instead of 'model')

Can a friendly model obey another friendly model to block an opponents obey?

 

I guess usually not useful, but if a friendly model doesn't have range to an opponent, moving another friendly model and blocking an unfriendly obey could be very advantageous.

[Nagi21]

I mean you can block line of sight for obey like any other spell.  Other than that I'm not sure what you're asking since I can't think of any situation where you can Obey during your opponent's turn.

[Scoffer]

Obey action of model#1 and Obey action of model#2 are different actions and each of them may target the same model once per activation. So Zoraida can Obey Juju with her first action, Obey Bokor #1 to take Obey action targeting Juju with her second action, and Obey Bokor#2 to take Obey action targeting Juju with her third action. Absolutely legal.

[Ogid]

I can't think in any reactive obey... could you elaborate about a situation where your second question happens?

Multiple obeys can target the same model in the same activation as long as it come from different models. That is covered in the rules in the pg33

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These limitations are all by Action (or Ability) and model, so a given model could, for example, take multiple once per Activation effects so long as they were on different Actions or Abilities. Additionally, multiple models that have the same Action (or Ability) with a once per Activation can each use that effect once per Activation.

[Adran]

1 hour ago, MrPieChee said:

A question in two parts:

Can two different models obey the same model? (Pretty sure they can't since it says this 'action' cannot target, instead of 'model')

Can a friendly model obey another friendly model to block an opponents obey?

 

I guess usually not useful, but if a friendly model doesn't have range to an opponent, moving another friendly model and blocking an unfriendly obey could be very advantageous.

The limitations on the Obey apply to obey from that model only. So I can't obey a model twice during 1 activation using a lawyer for example, but I could obey it with the lawyer and then again with a different lawyer in the same activation.

The second one wouldn't be possible regardless because the limit is per activation, so you obeying your model during your activation, by the time the enemy has their activation its a new activation.

 

[solkan]

1 hour ago, MrPieChee said:

A question in two parts:

Can two different models obey the same model? (Pretty sure they can't since it says this 'action' cannot target, instead of 'model')

One of the reason why the rules say 'action' is that there's pretty much no way for you to end up in a situation where you're trying to resolve two actions at the same time.  There rules in place so that in the situations where you would be trying to resolve two actions at the same time, you don't and instead end up resolving them one at a time, one after the other.

If you had a table containing nothing but Guild Lawyers, and somehow had a rule "Every model in play can take an action", what would happen is that every model in play would queue up their action and you'd have to sort through those actions in the order specified by the Simultaneous Events rules.

If all of the models attempted to target the same model for an Obey, the restriction "This Action cannot target the same model more than once per Activation" applies to every model with that rule independently, because of the "Once Per" rules:

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“ONCE PER” EFFECTS

A model can only take an Action or Ability that is once per Activation once during an Activation.

A model can only take an Action or Ability that is once per Turn once on any given Turn.

These limitations are all by Action (or Ability) and model, so a given model could, for example, take mul- tiple once per Activation effects so long as they were on different Actions or Abilities. Additionally, multiple models that have the same Action (or Ability) with a once per Activation can each use that effect once per Activation.

Some of these effects have additional modifiers, such as being limited to targeting a specific model once per Activation. These work the same way, with the specific limitations mentioned.

In other words, when it says "this action" in "This Action cannot target the same model more than once per Activation" the rules mean "This action on this model cannot target the same model more than once per Activation."  So that every model in play (except for one that everyone else is targeting, because it's an attack and you can't target yourself with an attack) could declare Obey targeting the same model, if you somehow were able to make every model in play take an action during the same activation.

You can get close to that by chain Obeying models:

• Guild Lawyer A uses Obey on Guild Lawyer B who uses Obey on Important Model.
• Guild Lawyer A uses Obey on Guild Lawyer C who uses Obey on Important Model.
• Guild Lawyer A uses Obey on Important Model

all in the same activation is legal, because each model using Obey is subject to the restriction specified in Obey independently.

 

1 hour ago, MrPieChee said:

Can a friendly model obey another friendly model to block an opponents obey?

Nope.  For the same reason that if you had a mix of friendly and enemy models with a "Once per activation" ability that they all wanted to use at the same time, each model with that ability gets to use it once per activation.

In the previous example of chain Obeying, it doesn't matter which crew Guild Lawyer B and C belong to.

Having friendly models with Obey on the table actually means both sides can be Obeyed more.