daniello_s Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 hour ago, MeatAndFauxtatoes said: The biggest winner in the Gremlin part of the errata is Bushwhackers for me. At 6ss I considered them underwhelming as their "reckless" is conditional. But, at 5ss I think a Bushwhacker is a good deal. DF6, WP6, SH6, WD6 - these are still the stats of a 6ss model. 2/4/5 with their Rifles on a focused attack, ignoring cover. It will be nice to be able to use the other 50% of Mah's crew box without feeling like I'm shooting myself in the foot. That's one shot only. I would rather like to have 2/3/4 damage spread on attack ignoring cover without this bonus from focus. Then they would be really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishSausage Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 7 hours ago, daniello_s said: That's one shot only. I would rather like to have 2/3/4 damage spread on attack ignoring cover without this bonus from focus. Then they would be really good. SH 5 with "ignoring cover" and a 2/3/4 dmg with reposition would make them playable. and if a "6" statline is so beloved, take a look at Bunraku's that went down to 5ss On that note, after looking at how good Bunraku's are at 5ss, Neverborn players will still grab a handful of stitched at 6ss ( this should clearly show that stitched are broken/under priced ) Again, Gremlins are a vocal minority, other faction's most used/abused models stay at current SS cost and we received 3 nerfs ( again) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniello_s Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 Stitched are very good damage dealers and Dreamer will summon them for sure but for hiring purposes does anyone except Collodi hiring them? If they were so broken they would be auto-take in nearly all Neverborn lists and I don't think it is a case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishSausage Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 Z / Lucious/ Colodi / Dreamer / Pandora and sometimes (rarly) Lynch Lilith and Titania are the only two masters I have not seen taking them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurdush Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 I think it was a pretty decent simplified errata change for the gremlins. The models that went up in cost will still be used and the ones that went down now feel viable in some environments. Very glad to see Golem and Shinobi decrease in cost in particular. There are still a few models in need of a points decrease (or buff), but this was a very welcome step on the path towards better internal balance. I reckon it's especially tricky to get balance right by working with points cost alone in the lower range. Stuffed, Bayou and Survivors for example are now pretty much in the same spot but I definitely know which one I generally prefer. Points change alone does not feel optimal for all models I guess, just like a lot of people have already said. Emissary is one that stands out in this regard, even though a decrease would be better than nothing at all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 20 hours ago, Kurdush said: I think it was a pretty decent simplified errata change for the gremlins. The models that went up in cost will still be used and the ones that went down now feel viable in some environments. Very glad to see Golem and Shinobi decrease in cost in particular. There are still a few models in need of a points decrease (or buff), but this was a very welcome step on the path towards better internal balance. I reckon it's especially tricky to get balance right by working with points cost alone in the lower range. Stuffed, Bayou and Survivors for example are now pretty much in the same spot but I definitely know which one I generally prefer. Points change alone does not feel optimal for all models I guess, just like a lot of people have already said. Emissary is one that stands out in this regard, even though a decrease would be better than nothing at all. Though he isn't a Gremlin model specifically, I would like to see Bad Juju get some love when he slums it with Zoraida in Gremlins. Nothing dramatic just make his specific upgrade dual faction (Gremlin/ Neverborn). Perhaps also give him Armor 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PositronMike Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Omenbringer said: Though he isn't a Gremlin model specifically, I would like to see Bad Juju get some love when he slums it with Zoraida in Gremlins. Nothing dramatic just make his specific upgrade dual faction (Gremlin/ Neverborn). Perhaps also give him Armor 1. Juju is now interesting due to the cost decrease. He is now similar price to our other beaters and whilst he is slow we do have a couple of options for making him move out of his activation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 While I agree the points reduction was nice, Bad Juju still needs some love particularly in the durability department. One of my players recommended giving him Incorporeal to better reflect the "mud man" motif. That might be a bridge to far but making his specific upgrade dual faction would probably do the job. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniello_s Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 I agree. At the moment Juju is a no-no for Gremlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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