Brutal Emmisary's Never Bluff A Six Gun

[Hagisman]

How have you guys been finding the base attack of the Brutal Emissary?

So far I've been using it a lot in area denial. 8 inches with the ability to fire another target within 4 inches that wasn't targeted by the action has been powerful. No  symbol just adds to the fun  

for the most part this has destroyed some Gremlin crews I've gone up against. Even though it's an autotrigger it has limited range and its base damage is not too powerful, but I've been trying to come up with was to buff it against crews with high Wound counts  

the obvious play is papa loco, but I've been looking into using other models as well. The only one I can think of is maybe Nellie when she comes out and maybe Hoffman to just get into position. 

 

Anyone else find any good combos?

[Myyrä]

Mobile Toolkit can give him for damage if you are playing Hoffman and is a lot cheaper than Papa Loco.

[4thstringer]

Hoffman can also give him nimble to help him get into position or to move within 4 of some other models to trigger into.   Giving him el mayor from frank makes him really hard to kill,  and with a three inch engagement range he can jam up a big part of the board. 

[Myyrä]

1 hour ago, 4thstringer said:

Hoffman can also give him nimble to help him get into position or to move within 4 of some other models to trigger into.   Giving him el mayor from frank makes him really hard to kill,  and with a three inch engagement range he can jam up a big part of the board. 

Too bad he can at most make one 3" range disengaging strike per turn.

[Tapdancer]

23 hours ago, Myyrä said:

Too bad he can at most make one 3" range disengaging strike per turn.

don't understand that last comment.  Are disengaging strikes subject to the once per turn attack limit? If you have used his 3" attack during his activation then his engagement range drops to 2" ?  

[Adran]

2 minutes ago, Tapdancer said:

don't understand that last comment.  Are disengaging strikes subject to the once per turn attack limit? If you have used his 3" attack during his activation then his engagement range drops to 2" ?  

Using an attack as a disengaging strike is using that attack. 

If he has used a once per turn attack, then it won't reduce his engagement range, but models between the 2 and 3" will be able to walk away because he can't declare a disengaging strike because the only action that is in range is unable to be used. 

 

There are similar tricks availible with the nurse. If it restricts Perdita to only Ml strikes, it doesn't remove her engagement range, but she won't be able to declare any disengagign strikes because she can't declare a Sh action.

[Tapdancer]

42 minutes ago, Adran said:

Using an attack as a disengaging strike is using that attack. 

If he has used a once per turn attack, then it won't reduce his engagement range, but models between the 2 and 3" will be able to walk away because he can't declare a disengaging strike because the only action that is in range is unable to be used. 

 

There are similar tricks availible with the nurse. If it restricts Perdita to only Ml strikes, it doesn't remove her engagement range, but she won't be able to declare any disengagign strikes because she can't declare a Sh action.

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[4thstringer]

Neverthought of it that way.  If a disengaging strike has none of the other effects in the text of the attack, is it that attack?  Its not like the attacked model goes in the box if it succeeds. 

[Adran]

5 minutes ago, 4thstringer said:

Neverthought of it that way.  If a disengaging strike has none of the other effects in the text of the attack, is it that attack?  Its not like the attacked model goes in the box if it succeeds. 

Speaking as someone that uses wicked models,. (And even occasionally Mei Feng, whose jackhammer kick does do things on disengaging strikes) yes, it is that attack

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To resolve a disengaging strike, the enemy models that are engaged with the moving
model may choose to take a free Attack Action with any one Close () Attack
which the disengaging model is within range of.
If the Attack hits, the disengaging model may not perform the Walk Action,
although it must still spend the required AP. A disengaging strike deals no damage,
has no other effect, and may not declare any Triggers. 

[4thstringer]

The attack "has no other effect".  Wouldn't using up its once per turn be an effect?

[solkan]

5 minutes ago, 4thstringer said:

The attack "has no other effect".  Wouldn't using up its once per turn be an effect?

Consider the language in the action rules:

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If the model does not succeed on any required duel, then the Action does not resolve its effects.

Yet, from the FAQ:

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16) Some Actions say they can only be taken once per Turn. If a model takes an Action which states it can only be taken once per Turn and fails, can it take the Action again? What if another model uses an Action such as Obey on the model, can it take the Action again? If a Trigger allows the model to take the Action, can it be used to take the Action a second time?

A: No. A model which has an Action with the “once per Turn” restriction may only take that Action once per Turn. Same answer for Actions which are “once per Activation.”

Only being able to take the action once per turn isn't an effect of the action.  It's a limitation on how often the model can declare the action.

 

[Adran]

If the attack got  to the attack, then that would still apply. 

This action may only be taken once per turn is not an "effect" of the attack. Being buried, gaining conditions, moving the model, taking damage are all effects of the attack.