Myyrä Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Bullet bending is more difficult to pull off with a Doppelganger than you might think. Her main defense is that high Manipulative, which means that you can't just carelessly move her in and engage something dangerous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiless Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I need to free up a point somewhere for Useless Duplications so that she doesn't even need to be engaged with the target, just standing nearby. I think this will be a particularly useful trick for Guard the Stash, since models could just hide on the other side of the stash marker from the rifles. Edit: Myrra I agree. This would take a turn to set up - move Doppel into range at the end of one turn, then use her as the bending point in the next. Or wait until the nasty has activated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mxbedlam Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Dammit. I know what's going to happen. I'll start working on Lucius crews and before I know it, I'll have half of the Guild already bought.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiless Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 This is a very legitimate concern... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiralvorkraft Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 And then there's where I'm at; "Man, I'd use everything in the Hoffman box, I should get that next. Say, Hoffman's a cool master, but I really need Ramos' box to get the most out of him... Oh, hello there Arcanists. I wasn't going to, but if you insist..." Wyrd has designed their game extremely well from that perspective, and I don't even mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 And then there's where I'm at; "Man, I'd use everything in the Hoffman box, I should get that next. Say, Hoffman's a cool master, but I really need Ramos' box to get the most out of him... Oh, hello there Arcanists. I wasn't going to, but if you insist..." Wyrd has designed their game extremely well from that perspective, and I don't even mind.I have good news for you. Those problems stop when you have bought all the crew boxes they sell. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunagami Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Only thing I might suggest is dropping one of the Riflemen for a Depleted. You can farm the Depleted for stones all game long (eight wounds and htk make it pay for itself with Devil's Deal) or you can use it as a cheap roadblock piece. Am I missing something? I see I could 3 times get a soulstone for free from them more or less by shunting 3 damage to them, but how are you farming them all game without killing them? I get that illuminated heal a min of 3 per turn so hitting them is ok, but I don't get where you are farming stones from them all game. Or is it just 3 times? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker_cky Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 4 times - 2 times reduces them to 2 wounds, then 3rd time hard to kill, and 4th time kills them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunagami Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 4 times - 2 times reduces them to 2 wounds, then 3rd time hard to kill, and 4th time kills them. Aaah. Ok, but that is it, right? Not that it is crappy (puts them immediately on my build list ), but just curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiless Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Yes, it would just be the four times unless you brought some other form of healing. One nice thing about this though is you could more or less pick the time to have them die and explode on someone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiralvorkraft Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I guess I never pull more than about four stones with Devils Deal in a given game. I also do love models with on-death effects in Lucius lists because he can basically decide when and where his minions die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunagami Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Maybe candy WOULD be a good addition because she could always heal up said depleted to give out more stones. Not to mention..... she is Candy. Deal :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiless Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 A Black Blood Shaman would go really well in this crew. Hand out Black Blood so you give out some damage with Devil's Deal and then heal models back up. The idea of Dashel with Black Blood just amuses me to no end for some reason.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiralngCadavr Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Candy's not got much in the way of specific synergy w/ Lucius, but she's such a pain in the ass that she works pretty well with him, and he's got decent activation control just 'cause he likes a lot of minions. I'm not a fan of healing that requires both a suit and a non-0 action, though, so don't feel she gets that strong mileage out of that part with him/don't think that's much of a reason to take her. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiless Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I got my first game in last night with my Lucius crew, against Pandora of all masters. I didn't make a detailed battle report, but I will put down some impressions. The Dashel-Riflemen firebase does indeed put out a crazy amount of damage. Riflemen accounted for Barbaros, a Sorrow, Teddy, and something else I am forgetting. If the Strategy had not been Guard the Stash with its two giant blocking HT5 50mm markers that he could just tuck models out of sight behind and still score it would have been more. To complement the rifles I took two Illuminated and a Beckoner. The Illuminated made fantastic Devi's Deal targets and were their usual stalwart selves. The Beckoner was incredibly useful, a real star of the show in this crew. A couple of times she used her lure to pull riflemen away from jamming models which then got gunned down. As for Lucius himself, Devil's Deal + Wings of Darkness + Primordial Magic let me draw 10 cards to start each turn, which still didn't save me from at least one hand of utter junk. But that was still 10 useless cards not in the draw for the rest of the turn. What Lackeys Are For basically auto-scored Deliver a Message for me, and Legalese kept him safe from the Pandora Inflict bomb as well as allowing me to snipe out the middle of his ALITS markers. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbopper Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 I didn't think you could use devils deal when using a soulstone to draw extra cards as it's not Lucius spending the stone so much as his crew. Looks like a good crew though, and you are encouraging me to break him back out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 I didn't think you could use devils deal when using a soulstone to draw extra cards as it's not Lucius spending the stone so much as his crew. Looks like a good crew though, and you are encouraging me to break him back outIt's not Lucius doing the card draw, so you can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbopper Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Thought so. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Puppet Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 It's not Lucius doing the card draw, so you can't. I'd dispute this based on the Wording of the Wings of Darkness upgrade because it states "When this model spends a Soulstone in the Draw Phase...." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreads Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbopper Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 hmmm. interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 I'd dispute this based on the Wording of the Wings of Darkness upgrade because it states "When this model spends a Soulstone in the Draw Phase...."Seems rather unlikely that Wings of Darkness upgrade changes who spends the soul stone. If it does, it is really good on Lucius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carcosa Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 one of them needs errata either way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 one of them needs errata either way. Probably FAQ would be enough but I'd recommend asking this question separately on the rules forum just so it can be found more easily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiralngCadavr Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Hmm, yeah, think a clarification would be necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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