Hateful Darkblack Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Just played my first Brewmaster game. I had a lot of fun: I played with Brewmaster, Apprentice, Fingers, Whiskey Golem, a Performer, and three Rooster Riders. The Rooster Riders killed enemy flankers and ran objectives. The rest were in a big ball. By Turn Three, I had my opponent's Master (Mei Feng) and two Henchmen (Toshiro and Fuhatsu) all stuck near Brewmaster and Apprentice Wesley, and Poisoned, with Fingers nearby enough that they couldn't interract. On Turn Four, I soulstoned for initiative, did Drinking Contest, put negative twists and Poison on everything nearby, and proceeded from there. After an activation or two, my opponent conceded. (It was also getting late so it made sense.) I felt bad about that! When models get stuck in the Brew-bubble, they are at -4 Wp and probably a negative flip, and just can't do ANYTHING. Is this common? Does it ruin games for people? I like winning games and I like strong Masters, but I don't like debuffing my opponent until they don't want to play anymore. Is Brewmaster an NPE? Is it just the first few times before the opponent learns how to counter them? What helps? Other Brewmaster players, what do you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 There was a recent thread about this very subject http://wyrd-games.net/community/topic/104677-boremaster/But yeah, long story short, imagine it had been the Viks instead of Brewmaster. All those models would've been dead instead of stuck healing. Once you learn how to handle the Viks/Brewie, things will get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 There was a recent thread about this very subject http://wyrd-games.net/community/topic/104677-boremaster/ But yeah, long story short, imagine it had been the Viks instead of Brewmaster. All those models would've been dead instead of stuck healing. Once you learn how to handle the Viks/Brewie, things will get better. There is a huge difference though, Viks can't force you into pile. Brewmaster has Obey and there are a couple of good pushers in the Gremlin faction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 There is a huge difference though, Viks can't force you into pile. Brewmaster has Obey and there are a couple of good pushers in the Gremlin faction.Well yeah, I meant it more as a general comparison, not as an identical situation. Since killing is better, Brewie has to have something going for him.Also note that Brewie's effect is an Aura. You can move Brewie or your own models. If your models were dead, there would be no saving them but you can save them from Brewie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Still he does sound and seem like he might be an NPE. None of us play him yet, as he isn't released but I'm afraid as soon as he's released there will be quite a few Brewies in our meta. we will get back to you then. Gladly he will be released 2020 at this speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Still he does sound and seem like he might be an NPE. None of us play him yet, as he isn't released but I'm afraid as soon as he's released there will be quite a few Brewies in our meta. we will get back to you then. Gladly he will be released 2020 at this speed. He sounds like a "Hulk Smash" hybrid of McMourning and Pandora... I hope he never gets released Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 He sounds like a "Hulk Smash" hybrid of McMourning and Pandora... I hope he never gets released Hahaha. Your hope might be coming true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzer Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Is Brewmaster an NPE? Is it just the first few times before the opponent learns how to counter them? What helps? Brewmaster is one of those masters that you need to learn how to deal with, but once you do he is no different than playing against a lot of other masters with a distinct play-style. I find that feeding him models that can tie him up is one way to go. Another is some solid shooting. Anyway, I don't think he is any worse to play against than the Sonnias, Hamelins, Zoraidas, or Collodis of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehMik Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Silly question: NPE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Silly question: NPE? Negative play experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehMik Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Can't believe that in my 20+ years of minigaming/gaming I haven't come across that term. It's especially interesting when you consider I liked to play blue decks in MTG and Eldar in 40k. And I'll certainly be picking up Brewie, too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Hahaha. Your hope might be coming true. I can only hope my local Gremlins player doesn't get his hands on him or else I'll be facing his wrath... If I suspect this is going to be the case I'll rock out McMourning and show him how Poison is REALLY done 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 And I'll certainly be picking up Brewie, too. Well you can come over to Finland and ruin our meta on your next vacation here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I can only hope my local Gremlins player doesn't get his hands on him or else I'll be facing his wrath... If I suspect this is going to be the case I'll rock out McMourning and show him how Poison is REALLY done "That's not a knife. THIS is a knife." - Crocodile Dundee or Ausplosions, can't remember. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malal Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 There is a huge difference though, Viks can't force you into pile. Brewmaster has Obey and there are a couple of good pushers in the Gremlin faction. Performers and Burt Jebson are available to the Viks as well as Brewie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Performers and Burt Jebson are available to the Viks as well as Brewie Fair enough, Oiran too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Well you can come over to Finland and ruin our meta on your next vacation here. Hahaha yeah, I'll bring the British brand of filth along with me to see how you guys handle that. I'll also be happy to McMourning to death any of your Gremlins players. Let's face it, they deserve it! If it ever does happen you will have no choice but to face my Tara crew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Hahaha yeah, I'll bring the British brand of filth along with me to see how you guys handle that. I'll also be happy to McMourning to death any of your Gremlins players. Let's face it, they deserve it! If it ever does happen you will have no choice but to face my Tara crew Nonononono. I'm sick that day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Nonononono. I'm sick that day. Yeah, I thought you might come up with some sort of excuse to dodge that one. Well if you ever get over here on your longboat or however you crazy Finish like to travel these days I'll happily take on your McMourning again *shudders* P.S. Ever noticed it's often us that derail these topics so much? Back on topic... Brewmaster looks scary! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevorin Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 BM does have obey, but he is using a SS or getting lucky with the cards. It's not like how Z always gets the Obeys off =) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malal Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 and if he's using ap for Obey, he's not using them for Hangover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duront Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 The problem that I see with brewmaster is that once you know his trick then he can be laughably easy to handle. Condition cleanse, range, friendly pushes all neuter brewmaster. The issue is that unless you bring these things which you wouldn't normally when just hearing a faction declared. So the game becomes did I bring the rock or the scissors to the paper fight? I was the opponent and I called it more out of exhaustion and vassal messing up like 13212315352342 times. There were many points were the better play was to just skip whole activation's with models instead of testing on a 12 with WP 1 and getting more poison. Which would be fine if brewmaster could then do other actions but to keep me locked there, hateful was doing the samething. So there was a corner of the board where there was just no action and we just skipped it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6Damager Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I was the opponent and I called it more out of exhaustion and vassal messing up like 13212315352342 times. There were many points were the better play was to just skip whole activation's with models instead of testing on a 12 with WP 1 and getting more poison. Which would be fine if brewmaster could then do other actions but to keep me locked there, hateful was doing the samething. So there was a corner of the board where there was just no action and we just skipped it. Just out of curiosity, why did you bring Mei Feng? What were the strats and schemes for this particular game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 P.S. Ever noticed it's often us that derail these topics so much? Oh yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duront Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Strat - Stake a Claim Scheme - Assassinate Protect Territory Cursed Object Deliver A Message I took Meifeng with toshiro for the emberling turns into three komainu trick, which worked pretty well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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