Hellbane Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Hi all! I know you flip for each possible engaged target to determine who gets shot; the question is this: can the targeting flip be cheated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ratty Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 no as it's not part of a duel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 asrian Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Under Shooting into Engagement (Page 50 of the Small Rule Book) it does not say yes or no. I can only talk about my personal opinion as an answer which is no, you can't cheat the randomization flip. This flip is the same as any dice game where you roll a die to see who gets hit, or you count off (eenie meenie miney mo) to determine it. In the spirit of the game (and good sportsmanship) as the book doesn't say you can, then don't. Just flip a card for each target engaged within 2" of your initial target, Whoever gets the lowest card is the model hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 asrian Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Or, TL:DR - Follow Ratty's reasoning. no as it's not part of a duel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 The Godlyness Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 The rules tell you exactly what flips you can cheat. Duels damage healing. Unless you suffer one or more So yes the rules do give a clear no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tuttleboy Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 AFAIK the only cheatable flip is a healing flip. Rule books say all others may not be cheated that I can find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Uktena Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 AFAIK the only cheatable flip is a healing flip. Rule books say all others may not be cheated that I can find.AFAIK the only cheatable flip is a healing flip. Rule books say all others may not be cheated that I can find. Your book sounds like it's missing a page. Damage flips can be cheated, so can any flip expressly allowing it, such as the Sprint flip. Simple duels, attack duels, and defense duels naturally are cheatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ausplosions Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Bear in mind you DO NOT randomised for All engaged models. Only those that are within 2" of your declared target. Whether they are engaged in not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Hellbane Posted August 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Only reason I asked for clarification is because V1 you could cheat simple duels, and IIRC they don't exist any more. Thanks guys! EDIT: Shooting into combat isn't a simple duel anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ausplosions Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 It never was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 The Godlyness Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Actually it was. Back in 1 not 1.5 you had to pass a horror duel to shoot into combat. They changed that into randomizing which just worked better. I seem to be showing my age.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tuttleboy Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Your book sounds like it's missing a page. Damage flips can be cheated, so can any flip expressly allowing it, such as the Sprint flip. Simple duels, attack duels, and defense duels naturally are cheatable. You are correct sir, and I did a horrible job expressing my thoughts. Shoulda said something like "Only cheat able flip that doesn't involve a duel in some way." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 J_D Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Bear in mind you DO NOT randomised for All engaged models. Only those that are within 2" of your declared target. Whether they are engaged in not. Sorry to highjack, but just wanted to make sure I had this correct (as I think I have been playing it wrong). When shooting in to combat, you only randomise for models within 2" of the target you choose? So for example: I choose A as my target, who is engaged with B who has 3, and standing 1" from friendly C (and therefore no engaged with). Does this mean I would only randomise to hit A and C, as B is not within range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 egoon Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Yes. If B is more than 2" away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 asrian Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Sorry to highjack, but just wanted to make sure I had this correct (as I think I have been playing it wrong). When shooting in to combat, you only randomise for models within 2" of the target you choose? So for example: I choose A as my target, who is engaged with B who has 3, and standing 1" from friendly C (and therefore no engaged with). Does this mean I would only randomise to hit A and C, as B is not within range I'm a little confused by your phrasing of this (too many pronouns I guess). I'll try to give an example though. A - Shooter B - Target (can be friend or foe, but for this call him an enemy) model engaged with D C - Enemy Engaged Model with D D - Friendly Engaged with B & C E - Friendly Engaged Model with B & C, but 3" away ------------------------------------ -----------E---C-D-------------- ---------------B-=========== -----------------============ -----------------==(Blocking)== -----------------==(Terrain)=== -----------------============ ----------------A------------------ B+C+D are all engaged in combat within 2" of each other. E (your friendly model) is 3" away engaged with both B & C -A (you) shoots at B. -You randomize your shot between B and all models within 2" engaged with him - So randomize between B, C, and D, even though you don't have LoS to D due to the blocking terrain. --You don't randomize with E as, even though he's engaged in the combat, he's more than 2" from the initial target, B Let's say you flip a 7 for B, 12 for C, and a 2 for D. You then take the shot against D, your own guy whom you normally couldn't see. Resolve shot as you normally would for attacking a friendly (you flip for attack, you have the option to relent, etc, etc). I hope that helps. I'm awful at ansi artwork. And yes, this does mean you can "target" your own guys in combat to try and hit enemy models outside of LoS. It's risky, and I've done it before, but my guy in combat was dead either way. That, and if I had targeted the only one of two enemy models in that combat that I could see, then his other model wouldn't of been randomized for as it was more than 2" from him. They where spread out 2" from each other like so: A (His) -- B (Mine) -- C (his out of my LoS). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jonahmaul Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I shoot into combat fairly frequently with my Freikorps Specialist. If you hit the opponent then your own guys are usually immune to the blast damage and if you hit your own guy you make a decision whether to hit him for some damage but blast off onto opponents. Can be a winner either way sometimes. With scheme clearing triggers it can often by very useful/nasty (depending on your point of view!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Clement Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I think you're getting overly hung up on engagement Asrian. Pretty sure it works like so: 1) Is model I am targeting engaged? If Yes, go to 2), if not, go to 3) 2) Flip cards for EVERY MODEL WITHIN 2" of original target (igore LOS). Low card becomes new target 3) Shoot your target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 The Godlyness Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 On your step 2 slight asterisk. If two or more models are tied for the lowest it's the attackers choice of who s/he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jonahmaul Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Really? I thought you just had to flip again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 cdhay Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 The attacker gets to choose on a draw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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I know you flip for each possible engaged target to determine who gets shot; the question is this: can the targeting flip be cheated?
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