DeleteAccount Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Dear Outcast players, I come to your land to ask help on how to deal with the lord of plague. Basically, I've started playing against him and my opponent is still getting the hang of him, but I've noticed that Bleeding Disease is a very high damaging ability with some setup and everybody and their mother can use it in a Hamelin crew. Basically, how do I avoid having my stuff just accumulate blight 3-4 between exploding stolen/pipes or what have you and then not getting everything imploded by even measly Stolen? Thanks for the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausplosions Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 High Wp will stop Bleeding Disease from Stolen fairly well. Condition removal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 When fighting against Hamelin, you really have to pay attention to keeping his kids in check. Stolen aren't difficult to kill, with low defensive skills and only a single wound, but if you let them live they will become a problem for you, one way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hateful Darkblack Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Things I dread when I'm playing Hamelin: Condition removal (Witchling Stalker, Johan, even Monk of Low River.) Mass attacks (Blasts and pulses) Counterspells (Sonnia will do a number on me) Models with really high Wp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteAccount Posted June 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Doesn't Hamelin's upgrade with the no blight removal aura and Nix take care of the condition removal and mass attacks problem? As for the high Wp, that sounds great, but if he only declares faction and I happened to go with a Wp 5 master, it's not really helping much either. Was referring more from the sense of "ok, you went with X and Hamelin is on the table, what are the dos and don'ts". Keeping the stolen population in control is something I tend to have in mind, as well as stopping rats from being able to grow into kings, but outside of that is a bit hazy and not really sure how to approach Nix or Hamelin. Hell, I'm wondering how the Weakness aura interacts with the red joker for example, does it become a moderate and a weak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeton Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 It's also worth noting that Bleeding Disease has quite a long setup time - it's really more of a mid-game nuke. If you're playing an aggressive crew, it's now far more viable (than in M1E) to rush Hamelin's crew and sucker-punch them before they really get a chance to get going. He's far stronger against resilient crews that try to outlast their opponents.If you are going the resilience route, condition removal is basically mandatory, as others have mentioned. Johan is a very solid piece and is available to everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Hell, I'm wondering how the Weakness aura interacts with the red joker for example, does it become a moderate and a weak? On P47, second paragraph, it says that a staged down Red Joker becomes Moderate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sezar Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Hamelin's Crew is actually stronger when everything is clustered; spreading out and he will have serious problems to stop you. Also, Nix can be a great tank, but it also folds down quickly under any serious Casting Attacks, after all it's only 6 Wds, and We all know Incorporeal only goes so far. That said, only really Attack Nix if you really know you've some serious chances to take it down, or it will just be a waste of AP and Cards. Isolate him, and it will be weaker the less enemy models there are around it as it won't be able to heal much then. Anyway, remember that a Void Nix costs at least 10ss, 1/5th of its Crew, and it is really not that dangerous, at least not until Blighted Strats to stuck in big numbers, usually not before turn 3 at the very least. As already stated, Hamelin's Crew becomes more dangerous on the last turns of the game... But it is also a weakness on itself, as there are a lot of games that are already mostly won or lost on the 3rd turn, so rush it if you are really able to enter the fray and kill Fast. If not, just focus on the usual Strategy/Schemes Victory Points and avoid the fight. Ohh, and if you even find yourself facing a Survivalist Hamelin, forget about Assasinating him. It can be done, but it would usually need such a huge investment in resources to accomplish it that it most probably wouldn't be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteAccount Posted June 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Yeah, this is closer to what I was looking for. I suppose in the coming weeks I'll have another match against captain plague and lets see if I get overwhelmed or not. Also, are we really sure Nix block the red joker on damage? seems pretty damn insane to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausplosions Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 It drops from severe + weak to Moderate + Weak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sezar Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 It drops from severe + weak to Moderate + Weak. That's what we've been playing here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteAccount Posted June 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 It drops from severe + weak to Moderate + Weak. That's what we've been playing here Yeah, that interpretation I can get behind of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntereoVivo Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Hamelin is, without a doubt a tough master to take down. Between summoning and bleeding disease he can really bog down your crew. The key is remembering that he is, at heart, a control master. The key (as has been mentioned) to disrupting his plan is to force him into reactive action. If you let him build up over a couple turns he'll put a hurting on you but if you can disrupt that game plan early then he is much easier to take down. Things I am worried about when I run Hamelin: Heavy healing Slow (or paralyzed) Condition removal Anyone who can kill models on turn 1 or 2 Really, what you want to do is the same as you'd do against any control master. Force them to react so they cannot control the flow of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Hamelin hates Blast Damage as well, I've found in my experience his crew tends to bunch up, if Nix doesn't have his blast prevent aura then go to town on them with as many blasts as you can fit in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godlyness Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 It drops from severe + weak to Moderate + Weak. Only when concerning blasts does red joker say it drops to moderate. Do you know why. Well let me explain. Cause it would deal severe+weak then the blasts would deal severe. To stop this abuse they made it so the red joker does moderate when it steps down. Now if the red joker is flipped on nix he takes severe+weak. Not a step lower. The red joker is not just a better severe flip it's in its own category. Heck check the rulebook there is a nice chart. Didn't we already discuss this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godlyness Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Also, are we really sure Nix block the red joker on damage? seems pretty damn insane to me. Answer is NO. He cannot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocSchlock Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Red Joker deals Severe damage + Weak damage. That's both categories in one. I see no reason Weakness wouldn't stage down the Red Joker. When I flip a Red Joker on damage for Spirit Barrage for Yan Lo, do I not get the Chi trigger, which requires Severe or kill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godlyness Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Question did you flip severe or the red joker. The red takes the severe profile adds (+) it to the weak profile and you deal that much. So technically yes you would not. Blew the chi right out of the model with such great force. (Unless the damage kills the model then you still get your chi) but hey let's bring this to the rules forum and stop blowing up razhem's tread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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