dope_danny

I know i'm not the only one that bought into The Other Side on here and it sucks to say but there has to come a point where you rip the band aid off, call a spoon a spoon and admit the game is never going to be what Wyrd intended it to be. The concept of the plugbases as hp was neat, many of the sculpts and worldbuilding aspects were cool but as a wargame its just a failed product. But that doesn't mean that has to be the end for the majority of the models. Malifaux Burns set up a really good excuse for The Cult of the Burning Man to show up on the other side of the Breach and i think it would be pretty cool to see some cards/rules for things from the game to be used as a crew in Malifaux. Imagine taking things like the Warped, the Broken, a couple of Stalking Portals and a Doomseeker as some roving band muscling in on the Resurrectionists turf or something? These aren't just some really cool models that deserve more love/life on the tabletop but theres a decent in world reason for the cult to be active in Malifaux as well as back on earth. Plus i don't doubt people wouldn't complain to use the other three factions for things like Neverborn for the Gibbering Hordes, Maybe add in Abyssinian models for The Explorers Society or as Outcast Mercs and throw some story reason for the Kings Empire to show up as allys to The Guild for their own interests maybe to rebuild London or something? The only one that seems a hard fit is the cult but they could follow the keyword alt master trend and emulate what TT originally were with each faction getting a cult themed master/alt inspired by the events of Malifaux burns? like maybe Nellie gets a Cult/Guild alt and can take things like Warped in her crew? something like that maybe? i know theres been a "beyond the breach" book spotted at cons in marketing and there was talk years ago now of Court of Two vs the Guild acting as a cross game go between but that always felt more like a way to try and get Malifaux players into The Other Side than the other way around and more power to them but it doesn't seem to be working. Hell asking around at my locals on Malifaux night most people don't even know what The Other Side is since the stores stopped stocking the army starter boxes before Covid hit. I know people get touchy with any perceived doomsaying about TOS but i would just hate to see those models get left behind in a game thats been at its very best struggling since day one and now feels like the perfect time to pull a Necromunda/Mordheim and give them some rules to at least allow some of those models use in the game we all love. Did you buy into TOS? have you touched your models in the last few years? would you also be interested in seeing them show up in malifaux? or do you still think theres some big audience waiting to buy into TOS to make two games worth it as a use of Wyrds resources?

I think its too late in my area. Not only did Corona kill most actual tabletop activity in general in the last year everyone i know that bought in have binned their TOS minis. Not shelved. Not resold. They threw them away in the trash because they thought it was simply a case of "it tried, it didn't get a market, its a shame but i need the space and will not play this again" and that sucks but even if Corona didn't happen post release has always felt like the sentiment from Wyrd was "you do the work, word of mouth the product for us" to a degree that you just don't see with Malifaux. I hope it does pick up but right now it looks like Wyrd thinks cross over rules for Malifaux will draw people in as though it wasn't mostly the Malifaux audience who bought all the product already. There is probably some Malifaux players who didn't buy in who might be more tempted but if this was done at release it wouldn't now have the added struggle of "i heard this game flopped/is dead" to put off those people. Is there a significant audience who had no interest and never bought into Malifaux who will pick this game over 40k, Age of Sigmar or hell even Warmachine or some other established wargame? Time will tell but if even the most positive outlooks are "i'm going to have to do the legwork and push it myself hard" its going to be an uphill struggle.

Now i just gotta see which infinity or shadowrun style bases will fit alt Mei 😛

My two main masters are Mei and Molly so boy i looked out with alts recently huh? -also inb4 tinfoils that the card art means we are getting a second 80's malifaux setting to lure in the shadowrun crowd with agnostic rules/characters with two sculpts.

I just came back from my FLGS and the owner was actually taking his personal Cult of the Burning Man models out of the display case he has for some of his personal stuff behind the counter and throwing them out in the trash to make room because "the games dead mate, haven't shifted any product in about 6 months and nobody plays it or asks about it" and the shelf that used to be used for it is now a second cabinet for M3E stock. I like the game a lot and its nice to see a larger scale thing in the Malifaux universe but unless they can turn it around "it doesn't have to be big as long as its fun" isn't going to go very far if its a money pit.

I thought he was meant to be what with the Mollly Nightmare box coming with a hat for him to match the theme but i checked three stores near me in the uk and even the one where the owners a diehard fan of game was like "huh, yeah i guess he fell of the back of a truck again or something?"

Did Archie get put back again? went into my local to pick him up with some recent repackages like Hinamatsu but the store said hes back to no date for release again.

Thats a steal but its probably a steal for a reason. I have one friend to play with but 8 FLGS's in my area that all play or have played Malifaux, even one with a regular Through the Breach group. But badly put together or warped preassembelled models put too many people off, which meant not enough people getting into the game which snowballed and so on and yadda yadda you get the idea. I like the game as a larger scale take on the malifaux system and the setting back earthside but its kind of hard to say its not at best a mild flop right now. Hopefully they can turn it around but they are still dealing with the mess of Malifaux 3rd editions launch and thats the big name money maker so TOS is probably going to have to wait. If it can of course.

i tried element games, firestorm games, wayland games and another i hadn't used before. On release day i got the Youko Box and a Fate Deck. I ordered 1 of everything bar the crew boxes. Its a wierd situation where the customer is going "i know this is free but let me give you money anyway!" but this isn't some industry giant like GW so its got to be a more impactful absence when they aren't selling stuff and giving it away for free. Personally i just prefer hardcopy rulebooks you can pass around at the table and sure i can pay to have it printed off by a 3rd party but thats just wyrd losing money i would rather give to them.

So its December, its now been 7 months since i was told stuff like the rulebook i preordered didnt show at any uk retailer i use and i had to rely on a pdf that means dragging my laptop to game stores or trying to play the pinch and squint game on my phone "until new stock showed up". I've been willing to wait patiently since its really just giving money to support a game you love when technically the rules are free but at the same time over half a year is a long time and the people i tried to get into the game with 3rd have gone beyond "dont worry it will get sorted out" a few months back to full on "fool me twice, shame on me" and its actually harder to find people to play with now than in the drought at the end of 2nd. Has there been any news about rulebooks? it just seems so odd trying to sell someone on a game going "oh but theres no rulebook you can buy yet" and getting a blank stare and a comment of "i thought you said this came out in june, how can i not buy a rulebook when even stuff like bushido has them and thats a game made by like four people" and what can you even say to that at this point?

We sit and wait, hope the game doesn't get dropped by everyone locally as they still wait for items 6 months in and unlike privateer press at some point wyrd gets out more product here but it just depends how many people are still waiting and didn't just move on at this point.

I've had this sad little pirate hat sitting on my shelf by my nightmare Molly Crew just waiting!

I ended up having to go to ebay for mine. Theres still folks i know waiting on their June preorders for lots of stuff.

Any update on the rulebooks yet?

Honestly -and i dont expect this to change- bad preassembelled models has put people off and i would prefer a kit. if i can assemble Molly's Necrotic Machine i can put a stalking portal together without massive gaps. To say nothing of horror stories like that abyssinia bike model that was bent like a question mark that was doing the rounds a while back. That put a lot of traditional tabletop players i know right off.

Harvestmen models when? 😛

I know, i know, easy to say but its time and resources. But i don't think anyone can say the current state of the game in the eyes of consumers is 'healthy'. The game is great. Its Malifaux with a twist to allow for large scale fast and simple games to scratch that wargame itch in the universe we all know and love. But, and its a big immolated rhino but, It feels like its fallen to the wayside. Most people blame rumours M3E leaked a year early and this was meant to be a year pushing TOS and wyrd had to scramble to adapt. Its business, it happens. But its made it quite hard to try and build a local scene both in my personal experience and from what i hear elsewhere. Every FLGS i visit has a social media page be a facebook page or forum where people want to play but either have trouble travelling often to find games or they tried to get people interested but the one "metagrog" ran the rhino cheese and demolished all the beginners with a "get serious or get lost" mentality right out of Warmachines infamous page 5 dudebro throwback mentality that put people right off. I've seen Wyrd post elsewhere in the forums looking for playtesters which suggests a nice big errate is on the way and that feels like a nice point -along with things like the court of two finally showing up- to really try and push a "TOS 1.1" and get people interested again. Maybe a "the adventure continues" single page leaflet included in malifaux boxes like GW does for Age of Sigmar in Warcry and Underworlds boxes? Maybe resurrect their youtube presence for some tutorials to show how easy it is to get into? Theres ways we as the players can push and shill the game till we are blue in the face but the consumer needs to see something from the developers to show its still supported and while i totally understand why their core game had to get the most love the last 6 months but with the faction books finally on the way and hopefully most of the core 3rd edition out of the way 'soon' maybe its time to wonder if TOS needs more than just new models and maybe need another push with stores and social media to get people interested? because i really like this game a lot and all the hooks like the fate decks and plug bases and reinforcements are unique and i really hope this game is another hit and not another case of a company trying to expand only for it to wither within a year y'know?

Has there been another delay on the rulebook? the uk stores i frequent are now listing the release date as January 2020.

Exactly right. Case in point i was super excited for Monsterpocalypse. Trouble is i live i England and Privateer Press does not really support regions outside the US with new stock. They do one wave and then its individual blisters or nothing. I shopped around and eventually found a shop in whales with the two starter kits. I legitimately am not exaggerating when i say i honestly think i found the last two copies in my country. The game had been out for a few months and that wave was gone and a new wave of stock never arrived. So i played the game with friends at my FLGS and lots of people badgered the owners for orders for it. But there just wasn't any to be had. The only option was import from the US which before the import tax was 60 quid shipping which totalled over 100quid/nearly 130 bucks for 6 minis in a starter box and having to hope someone else had a starter, god forbid buying two! So now the game is dead here. There are no new models and people that desperately wanted to jump in got burnt and moved on. At least unlike PP Wyrds odds of sorting their issues out are a hell of a lot more likely to happen.

Theres a saying by Stan Lee about the ethos to his work that was "every issue i write is somebodies first comic book so i have to grab them on page one" and television has a similar idea of "if you don't catch the viewer in 30 seconds you never will" and i think theres a similar element to tabletop games. Its very easy for any of us from 2nd to go "eh i got my existing figures already and can play, clearly those people aren't TRUE FANS like me" but the whole crux of that brand of high horse is A: already being monetarily invested, B: already having possibly multiple years of good experiences built up and C :this is a bump in the road and not your first experience. There are people i know from 2nd that have not given up on the game but shelved it for something like Warcry or Bushido until the problems resolve. Because they have prior experience to suggest it will and its no skin off their back just to wait. However there are also people that were interested for the first time and their only experience is little or no stock depending on where you ordered from, months of delays with repeat apologies that keep blaming different third parties and no starter kit so they need to gather up all the stuff like fate decks and minis and cards while also hoping they have someone else who has done or will do the same. Thats a bad first consumer experience. Lets just rip the bandaid off and call it what it is. It was an attempt to grow the audience and it shit the bed. Not enough to have people saying its the death of the game like you hear folks talking about Guild Ball or Warmachine nowadays but there is absolutely no reason to get angry with people whos only experience with malifaux has been a poor one. Thats on the product provider. Doesn't mean Wyrd is in the shit pile from now on forever, leave that binary thinking to the outrage/cancel culture crowd online, but they had a chance with new people and blew it with many of them. Thats an objective fact and to blame a consumer for getting burned after putting money down and deciding they want to find greener pastures is a bit of an overreaction in terms of brand loyalty. You can't force people to stick around with promises it might get better. Because they can always come back when it does, but its up to wyrd to convince them the problems are solved by solving them at the end of the day.

I dunno man. I buy from a lot of other mini companies as well and right now Wyrd is the only one where A - only 3 of the 16 items i preordered before june have shown up by september B - 3 core boxes i have bought have had missing pieces/miscasts in. C - every month something is delayed and D - No FLGS has gotten more than a dozen items to stock since 3rd launched. Part of the reason everyone i know is jumping to Warcry, Bushido, Monsterpocalypse, Frostgrave and more is because they are not having these issues. And in cases like Bushido its actually a very small team way smaller than Wyrds. I love Malifaux and have a lot of product for all 3 games in the setting but the troubles Wyrd has had are not the norm for the , not remotely. 3rd edition launched in June. Its a quarter of the year later and it feels like i'm still waiting for release to happen and we just had some stuff come out early. Its a bad situation that they dont deserve but how many months till the "thisisfinedog.png" attitude loses traction?

Yeah i triple check the sprues, nothing else on them. Which would make this my 3rd crew box i've bought for 3rd and the 3rd with a missing piece. All i can do is shrug and contact wyrd but man,

So i finally got my nightmare Molly crew and i'm down to finishing the last skellywag and hitting a wall here. Without any assembly guide the rest were clear and easy but going by the box on the back i genuinely can't tell if i'm missing a piece on one of the legs here: It looks like one leg is only supported by cloth but the models i've found on the forums all look like the cloth wraps around a bone but then the other bottom leg doesnt have anything to connect to at all. Maybe it just hides that behind the tabard like rags in the middle but i dont want to turn it into a gummed up nightmare only to find that there should be two upper legs and i'm missing one. Anyone put this one together who can tell me if i'm just missing something obvious or trying to make a stool with two legs here?

Warcry and Wild West Exodus in my area. The 2nd players just shelved their stuff till its sorted out and the people trying it for the first time got burnt and now have an opinion that Wyrd is a name you can't trust and games you don't touch and got refunds or just moved on.

Depending on who you ask that gets considered part of the problem. Wyrd, if they have been totally honest, has been the victim of a string of bad luck. From rumours that the edition was forced out a year early due to it leaking in a year meant to push The Other Side hard to allll the shipping issues so many of us are waiting on your June preorders for launch product still in september to stuff like Games Workshops new Warcry being a massive player vaccuum as people are feeling burnt and seeing an easier option. Its been a mess. But some people are taking that another way and going "okay Wyrd, every delay you blame a different party in this but the only recurring constant is you, its starting to look like the boy who cried wolf and you dropped the ball and keep blaming others" so really they can't win either way. Honestly i'm in for the long haul but i'm expecting we dont see a return to normalcy till 2020.