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Well, looks like at the end of this month we are gonna have new erratas, and I would like to share an idea to test, if it's not too late. It's about the "At Gunpoint" action from Bandido and Dead Outlaw. Since it's already hard to achieve (non-leader enemy only, that must be at 3" of an enemy scheme marker) and the target may choose which effect to suffer, why not add to the effect "if the target chooses to discard, this model may draw a card"? It would be quite fluffy (bandits stealing resources) and would be a reason to use it instead of a regular attack. What do you think? I've never used At Gunpoint, because the few times it was possible, it really didn't worth it.

I really dislike the Wedge deployment so wouldn't be angry to see that deployment changed xD

Curious that you had problems with Colette when using Justice. The Marshall crew has the Jury and Dead Marshall Recruiter who can give love to Colette still when buried.

Nota sure if Malifaux Child needs improvement, although it's not a bad Idea. Instead of Hidden in Plain Sight he could simply gain the keyword of the master, don't feel exactly OP and sound fluffy. Also, instead of adversary he could put Distracted (or Distracted could be a trigger). Or maybe give him Chatty, Boring Conversation or Annoying? (I promise I don't hate kids XD) Boring Conversation would be super cool since he doesn't have any bonus action.

That was the intention of Von Schill when he released Titania. I've always considered Neverborn as the conservative folks of a land that want to expel the immigration. Hmmm Von Schill, hero of Malifaux and doom of Tyrants...

That's not what I've read in the books, but I can be wrong, English is not my language.

Molly and Reva are IMHO the goodest masters in Malifaux (maybe now with Basse, as long as he keep his theme)

I hate him because I played a lot versus him and he looked so OP when compared to Von Schill...

- You Like to play with the bad guys. Sorry for your head, but no. Nellie lies purposely about the Arcanists and the Guild, even to her supposedly friend Fionna Cage, who thinks her accident was fault of the Arcanists because Nellie lied her when really was fault of the Guild. I think is one of the characters I hate the most (along Sonia and Marcus)

It doesn't matter how many times do you repeat this. 5 of 15 Augmented Models are def 4, included the totem and the healing bot (the other 3 are Hoffman himself, Howard Langston and the Peacekeeper) 5 of 15 (ok, 5 of 14 because Ryle is dead) is NOT a crew with low Def, specially since none of those models are minions susceptible of being hired multiple times, and two are cheap (or free) second line support models, and the other three have extra defense tech (like protected, concealment, terrifying or HtW). I agree with Augmented being weak at WP, since almost all the minions have WP 4, and this seems like a deliberate weakness for them.

I haven't understand a bit. What is MS? manipulative? What is HiPS and what does?

With "A Bunch of anti-armor" You mean the Ronin and the SoC? Because while the Ronin are an awesome piece for the crew, you don't want them facing a model like Gracie, a Golem or the Peacekeeper. And having the SoC as anti-armor tech, with her laughable attack , damage and defenses is simply ridiculous. In my experience, Mercenaries struggle with models relying on armor, and Analyze Weakness could return some of the old killy flavour they had.

I think that the SoC may need a bit of help, she doesn't do enough in my games, and a bit of extra support could make her worthy. Maybe some trigger in Covetous Cravings, like Preparations, Mend, or any other helpful trigger. Maybe the Analyze Weakness attack would make of her a piece a bit more interesting (she could do something apart of giving fast to other models). Also, her mobility is an issue in a so mobile crew, and she use to be out of position in turn 3+. Maybe something like the You're Comin' with Me trigger on Covetous Cravings would make her fine. Or By your Side ability. Also, there's the survivability problem, having Def 4 and 4 Wd with no defensive skill is a model as easy to kill, even at her cost niche, that kill her is barely one activation of a similar-costed model, and there's little you can do. Having Manipulative wouldn't be so rare for her, although could be not enough (Innocent Bystander also sounds thematic). I'm not saying she should have everything I've said, but take one or two of those options could make her more interesting to play without being OP.

All that said, I agree with you on Zipp being the strongest Master in Outcast (our at least one of the best). And Skeeters can also carry Mad Dog or (my favourite) Arik Schottemer (and Arik can charge through pianos, so more shenanigans). Could someone explain the meaning (or origin) of "No flips just fists" Phrase?

The models I'm more experienced that needs a fix in my opinion are: The Freikorps Scout, in no man's land too fragile to accomplish objectives and too slow to run away from danger. I would give them the "Create Trap' action with an in-built Reposition trigger. The Desperate Mercenary weak damage is too low for worth the discarded card needed to use Rapid Fire, turn their damage to 2/3/3 or something like that, they are also too fragile for their 4ss, and even slow. Von Schill needs back his pistol, throw that crappy rifle to the garbage. But the thing that needs more help are the upgrades. Soldier for hire should change This Will Fetch a High Price for the Bounty Hunter ability, and then give minions Ruthless (very thematic IMHO). Wanted criminal could lose Expert Thief (very situational) for something like giving the Pilfer trigger to their attacks, or maybe Disguised (what better for a wanted criminal that disguise itself to not being recognized?)

Von Schill, of course.

And how is supposed it to reach so much Poison in your whole crew?

That should be like Poison 13 on every model O_o

Viks1 (Outcasts) Size: 50 - Pool: 8 Leader: Viktoria Chambers Totem(s): Viktoria Chambers 2 Hires: Ronin Wanted Criminal Ronin 2 Wanted Criminal Ronin 3 Vanessa Chambers The Midnight Stalker Student of Conflict Today there was a lot of marker schemes, so I decided to give a try to my recently painted Midnight Stalker, although when I knew I was be facing Mah and a lot of Pit Traps, also changed my mind to add Von Schill to the list for his Rocket Launcher. The first turn went quite horribly, one Bushwaker left one of my Ronin at 1 wd and one Rooster Rider made the same with other of the Ronins (the two with Upgrades). Then the other Rooster Rider killed the Midnight Stalker in one activation (even although I did had the card for Eternal). At least, one Vik took care of that Rooster Rider. The second turn went my way, I managed to kill one of the Bushwaker and injured badly the Rooster Rider with one of the almost killed Ronin (the Bushwaker was at 2 wd from previous turn), and Vanessa finished the Rider. The untouched Ronin dropped the scheme marker for Power Ritual. In the other side, my opponent tried to kill my leader with Mah, and failed (too risk IMHO, she could simply had kept distance and shot while keeping two Pit Traps between them) in the end, the Vik ended with 4 wd and Injured +2. Then the Viks proceeded to activate and burnt 8ss to kill Mah with the very last attack. My opponent decided no to spend his last ss and conceded. He was quite unhappy because he forgot in the first turn to drop a Pit Trap with his first Bushwaker (wich could have prevent my Ronin to charge and hurt her), and in the second turn he forgot to activate the remaining Rooster Rider wich could have finished Vanessa or one Ronin (or both) until I killed it with Vanessa (he thought that Vanessa had activated). My conclusions are... well, I wanted to give a try to Midnight Stalker and he Died in the first turn, so I guess the main conclusion is that Rooster Rider with "Inferiority Complex" Is OP, and that Gremlin Upgrades are really good in general. Ronins are one of the most satisfying models I've played, while Student of Conflict keeps being really meh. If she tries to use Covetous Cravings, ends lagging wide behind where she could be really useful. Vanessa feels well rounded support model, although sometimes is hard to hold the desire of running her up to the centerline. The Viks did a decent job this time. While the death of the Rooster Rider came with a bit of luck, they managed to give a bad brawl to Mah.

Zoraida could been facing Pride,

Maybe I've been explaining horribly myself. First, sorry because my bad understanding was making me answer a question nobody ask. Here, I understood that the OP wanted to know why to play Zipp in Outcasts instead of Gremlins, and I answered my opinion. I, of course, am a Outcast player, and I'm totally decided to play Outcast Zipp. Probably is one of the strongest and funniest masters in the Faction. And you totally can find synergies in Outcasts that you will find harder to do in Gremlins, like the Malifaux Child copying the piano drop, or sz 2 killers (Arik, Mad Dog, Rusty...) Being carried, Von Schill giving upgrades to Skeeters/Wrastlers (a Wrastler dropping a pair of Minefields Markers to use with their attacks) and a lot more that still haven't come to anyone mind. Sorry if this was becoming a rant about Outcast Upgrades.

Hello everybody, I started this thread in the Outcast forum because I didn't knew exactly where to put it, so let's try here and include every faction. This is mostly to have a kind of "record" Of which questions seems to not have a clear answer, or at least not everybody seem to agree on the same application of the rules. Not about errating/buffing/nerfing models, but fixing things that may not be clear on seem not to be used as intended due to wording. For example General actions are considered to be "actions of models"? Like Hannah copying herself to do a charge with a action. When targeting a model with an action, must the model be considered to be "Friendly" Or "Enemy" During the whole action? Like attacking a Guilty with a Tormented model and relent, but triggering a "enemy only" Trigger. When multiple models are replaced by a single model, and some but not all of those models have activated, is the new model considered to have activated? Like Hamelin using "Unclean Influence" to make one Rat King replace 4 Malifaux Rats, but one of those Malifaux Rats has already activated. When one enemy Scheme Marker is dropped within 6" Of two models with Wanted Criminal, how many cards do you draw? How does the Necrotic Decay trigger work with models that have natural damage reduction? The only current model this effects is Ashes & Dust with Incorporeal, but it would also effect any future model with Armour, Shielded, or one that can use Soul Stones. clarifications on the replace rules would be nice. That way we can know for sure how out of activation replaces are supposed to work. Especially with Hamelin using his bonus action to cause tangled together for a rat king - can (multiple) instances of the extra action carry over, for instance? I feel Levi being able to sac himself with his bonus action is pretty obviously legal. But a faq confirming that would put out the rumours. We also probably need some feedback on how Leveticus damage and Hoffman's trigger to make armor unable to be ignored work together. I'm in the camp that Leveticus still gets full damage since the exact wording of irreducible damage says that it can't be reduced, not that it ignores reduction.

Indeed, this thread could be useful in not-only-outcast, but sincerely didn't knew where post it

Any Bayou Upgrade > any Outcast Upgrade Lucky > Hodgepodge Mmm I'm not gonna lie, Pride > any other Crossroad xD Yes, Outcast has a good versatile scheme runner in Midnight Stalker, but Infamous precisely doesn't need OOK scheme runners, and Gremlin has their own good models. And, as is have been said before, if you mostly end hiring a full Gremlin crew, what sense has to make Zipp Outcast? For the pleasure of having crappy Upgrades?

You always can find tricks in Outcast that fluke not be done in Gremlins, for example, if facing enemies like Colette, Misaki or other bury/fading models, Outcast Zipp can bring Obliteration models, although since you declare faction before master, I doubt anyone declares those models versus Outcast. You can always declare Outcast to "ban" Those crews from the pool.