Kalkris Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 Hey all, So Beckoners have The Party Never Ends which makes models retain the Under The Influence condition (which as we all know grants the Brilliance characteristic). The Illuminated have Scintillating Cloud and its trigger which makes a cloud marker which grants the Brilliance characteristic, but not the Under The Influence condition. This seems like a pretty big oversight. When the cloud marker dissipates, the brilliant models lost brilliance even if a beckoner is in proximity. Can/should this be fixed? Thank you. ~Lil Kalki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker_cky Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 Pretty sure that was intentional. It was for sure discussed during the original open beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalkris Posted December 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 It was? Well, do you know what the reasoning was for it? Because if that is the case I'd like to know haha ~Lil Kalki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnternalVoid Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 I think it was partially because the +2 damage from Illuminated is pretty nasty, same with the positives for HD. It was discussed alot during the first beta but it never changed, and alot of people agreed with the notion as Brilliance let you hit like a truck with certain models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Ruckuss Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 +1 to eternal void. Take multiple illuminated. Shoot a big target that has already activated, placing a marker in base to base and charge in with huggy or more illuminated...chances are the whole argument is moot anyway as if you are using it right the model you have targeted should be off the table anyway......! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker_cky Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 It's worth noting that even with a lesser brilliance giving mechanism, illuminated are incredible value (beckoners are very good as well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uktena Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Dear everyone. Illuminated do not need to be better. They cost 7SS. Thx, Other Factions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 pretty much. the illuminated are about the best value the game has to offer. and both HD and lynch can give out under the influence along with beckoners themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Ruckuss Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 It's worth noting that even with a lesser brilliance giving mechanism, illuminated are incredible value (beckoners are very good as well). Dear everyone. Illuminated do not need to be better. They cost 7SS. Thx, Other Factions pretty much. the illuminated are about the best value the game has to offer. and both HD and lynch can give out under the influence along with beckoners themselves. +1!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenton Crack Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 pretty much. the illuminated are about the best value the game has to offer. While I would certainly agree that anyone with an Illuminated is getting a great deal, I think The Guild Austringer is at least in contention with the Illuminated for best deal in Malifaux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 if only there were a master who could take both in the same crew....oh,wait! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 if only there were a master who could take both in the same crew....oh,wait! Illuminated are dual-faction Ten Thunders and Neverborn. Every Neverborn master can take them both in the same crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnternalVoid Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 I think Joel was making a McCabe Reference as he can take up to 4 Guardsmen or Black Sheep. Meaning he can have Illuminated and Austringers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker_cky Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 I think Joel was making a McCabe Reference as he can take up to 4 Guardsmen or Black Sheep. Meaning he can have Illuminated and Austringers. If only he could somehow get Rotten Belles, he'd have the triumvirate of the best value minions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phreaker187 Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Illuminated are monsters against models without brilliance. I took a triple take when I saw how far they could charge and have a 2" MI range. Granted I've though their cloud sucked from the very beginning of beta and fought to get it changed, but to no avail. They are great tanks and damage dealers though, even without brilliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnternalVoid Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 If only he could somehow get Rotten Belles, he'd have the triumvirate of the best value minions. Add in at least one Witchling Stalker on top of the Belle to really earn the title of running the best value minions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker_cky Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Illuminated are monsters against models without brilliance. I took a triple take when I saw how far they could charge and have a 2" MI range. Granted I've though their cloud sucked from the very beginning of beta and fought to get it changed, but to no avail. They are great tanks and damage dealers though, even without brilliance. They have an awesome charge + melee threat range, a very solid melee 6 attack ignoring brilliance, and incredible resilience with 1 wound per SS cost, Df5, armour +1, regen 1, a weak terrifying and an (0) healing ability that doesn't compete with anything else. When you factor in the damage bonus against brilliance models, and benefiting from addict, they're just incredible models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Ruckuss Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 if only there were a master who could take both in the same crew....oh,wait! I think Joel was making a McCabe Reference as he can take up to 4 Guardsmen or Black Sheep. Meaning he can have Illuminated and Austringers. They are darkened, not black sheep.... I think Joel was thinking Lucius.....(enter Joel to correct me if I am mistaken....!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticPangolin Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 They are darkened, not black sheep.... I think Joel was thinking Lucius.....(enter Joel to correct me if I am mistaken....!) Ah, but if you take McCabe as 10T, he can hire Illuminated and up to 4 Guardsmen. I initially thought Lucius too... I wonder where his rules are up to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Ruckuss Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 My mistake... As this is a NB thread I thought that would make sense...still there are 2 masters who can do it...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I did of course mean lucius McCabe can do it too when taken as TT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalkris Posted December 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 The reason I bring this up, in part, is because right now the Illuminated are the only things that can make Hamelin or Nix gain Brilliance. I don't doubt their strength in the slightest; I just wonder about such an interaction's intent... ~Lil Kalki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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