New with the mother of monsters

[SuperDudeMan64]

I just picked up my Lililth box set and I'm really excited to use it. I know that to use Lilith the best I need to pick up some young Nephillim, and probably Lelu and Lilitu.

I wanted to run a crew list by you guys and see what you thought of it. So, most of the guys I play against run small 25ss lists and I wanted to make a list that would let me get the most out of my crew at that low level.

Lilith, Mother of Monsters -- 4 Pool

Malifaux Cherub [2ss]

Black Blood Shaman [6ss]

Desperate Mercenary [2ss]

Desperate Mercenary [2ss]

Terror Tot Nephilim [3ss]

Terror Tot Nephilim [3ss]

Tuco [7ss]

Just for those that may be wondering about the mercs. I plan on killing them the first round so the tots can grow, and the shaman can get the blood counters that he needs.

I'm kind of on the fence about getting Tuco. I know his range will be a good addition to the crew, but I would kind of like to max out to the 8ss pool.

[Fetid Strumpet]

Are you trying to run a competitive list, or a thematic one? Competitively, Lilith doesn't need to run Grow lists. If you are going thematic I think your list looks pretty good. If you are looking for competitive, in my opinion you shouldn't even ask if you should include Tuco, he's insanely, criminally undercosted for what he brings to the table. Try him and you'll see how amazing he is.

[SuperDudeMan64]

Noted.

For Lilith I've only really seen grow lists, so that's what I built this for. Would it be a better idea to drop the tots and the mercs and run Lelu, Lilitu, and Tuco?

[SW_Neverborn04]

Spaghetti Western aside, for such a low SS game, you may not want to use Tuco. Nephilim are fast, and ignore most terrain features. IN a higher game, I would go with a Shaman, but for 20-25, i'd stick with tots, young and mature. I had a 3 player game the other day, at 35ss, grew 1 tot, and 1 young which killed 2 warpigs in 2 roudsa (crazy odds, should have gone to vegas that night). Healing shouldn't be an issue if you use placement and Lilith right(always bring a battle buddy with her such as a young, mature, Nekima, or lelu).

I do favour the cherub over primodiral though as it gives the option to transposition Lilith (if you have the cards) or use it to cast illusionary forest as Lilith and Nephilim crew tend to have board control with their ignore LoS and terrain while charging, forest, and earthquake.

The merc killing for blood counters is a good idea, tho tots are formidable on their own. Basicaly, it comes down to the strategy you have, but you'd be wasting your first turn, and the 1st cpl of turns, in my experience anyway, are all about set up.

[i_was_like_you]

Last time I ran Lilith (before stripping the bad paint job off), I went with a bit of an odd list:

Neverborn Crew - 35 - Scrap

Lilith, Mother of Monsters -- 4 Pool

+ Lilith, Avatar of Nature's Malevolence [2ss]

Primordial Magic [2ss]

Bad Juju, Mire Golem [10ss]

Doppelganger [8ss]

Freikorps Specialist [6ss]

Tuco [7ss]

Tuco didn't get to see much action, though, as it was a three player game and Rami LaCroix sniped him off turn 2.

[Fetid Strumpet]

Lilith is just a good solid Master, you can run almost anything you want with her. Tots are incredibly solid models in their own right, growing them into Young is certainly not a bad strat. Desperate Mercs are also great and including them is certainly not bad.

It really comes down to what sort of list you want to run. If competitive is what you are after there is a reason many lists run combinations of the Triplets. But you also need to gear it up for what the strat you are attempting to complete is, outside of a few examples, generic all comers lists don't work all that well.

If it were me and I wanted a generic 25 stone list I might run:

Neverborn Crew - 25 - Scrap

Lilith, Mother of Monsters

--

7 Pool

Primordial Magic [2ss]

• Lelu
  [7ss]
  
  
• Lilitu
  [7ss]
  
  
• Terror Tot Nephilim
  [3ss]
  
  
• Terror Tot Nephilim
  [3ss]
  
  

You could also look at a variant of Nix's Pandora list where he hires one of the twins and some mercs to make the other one with tots.

[Sybaris]

@ I_was_like_you: If you pick her avatar, you ought to look in the waldegeists's direction. They can benefit from her manifestation more than other neverborns.

As stated above, Terror Tots are good ss 3 models, so you never really go wrong with them. It seems that the neverborn-only scheme (reclaiming malifaux) was made for them. Young Nephilims are great too, and provide a diving charge for 6ss with the possibility of flay. At 25 ss, the BBS won't help as much as a Young Nephilim would, imho.

With lilith i tend not to go for the specialised growth list, and rather simply grow things out of game opportunities. Her crews are typically fast, and getting into position/securing objectives early in the game can help when facing slow and tough crews.

I am a fan of Waldegeist, they bring in uncommon toughness and board control. Even without any forest, their perfect camouflage can make them hard to remove.

Here's one take:

Lilith - 6 soulstones (with that many, you can be rather aggressive)

- Totem of your choice, or avatar (2)

3 Teror tots (9)

1 Young Nephilim (6)

1 Waldegeist (6)

Edited December 12, 2012 by Sybaris

[pgbsamurai]

@SW_Neverborn04

Primordial has magical extension as well so can cast all of Lilith's spells just like the Cherub, but with Primordial you get Arcane Reservoir and that extra card is insanely useful. And if memory serves the have the same Ca. The only thing that the Cherub can do that Primordial can't is ignore the illusionary forest. Primordial Magic is pretty much an auto include for me in any Lilith list. The only time I would take the Cherub was if I was running Nekima. Before the Nekima errata the Cherub could get the mask it needed to cast transposition, but since the errata the Cherub hasn't left my bag.

[SuperDudeMan64]

@i_was_like_you

I don't think I've ever seen a list like that before. Have you had success with odd ball builds like this in the past?

[Korrosion]

Primordial can cast all of Lilith's spells (including the forest) just as well as Lilith can. And it has arcane reservoir. Drawing up to 8 cards then discarding 1 is such a powerful advantage. It and 4 stones added to her cache are almost an autoinclude for me.

[Fetid Strumpet]

Well that is not unusual. Most, but not all, of the book 1 master specific Totems aren't very good. There are a few exceptions, but in almost every case the faction generic totem is almost always the better buy if you are bringing a totem. The Grave Spirit, Essence of Power, Primordial Magic, and Student of Conflict are all very solid choices.

[Adran]

The Cherub is a possible include if you are using either Lelu or Lilitu (or both) as the cheapest Nephlim that can grow into another twin.

(just on an aside I don't fine the Essence of power as a useful general totem. Its good for Rasputina, but I wouldn't bother picking it for any of the other Arcanist masters)