Tuesday Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Is it Lilith, the notorious Nephilim people use to scare their kids? Or Zoraida, the one pulling all the strings from the swamp? (Also the oldest) There's also Pandora and the Dreamer, because they're pretty terrifying too, and Lynch, because [mumbles] Basically-- from a somewhat fluffy standpoint, who do you feel is the quintessential Neverborn? Like how the Guild has Lady J who unites the populace and is sort of deferred to on a lot of stuff, and the Arcanists have Ramos who is DonBot. If the Neverborn had a face to the people (and players) of Malifaux, who would it be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96p Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Pandora cause she's the incarnation of the most dangerous aspect of the neverborn... the ability to blend in, to hide among humans until it's to late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adanedhel Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Funnily enough, I consider the quintessential neverbornmaster to be the most clearly human master: Jakob Lynch. Or rather the Hungering Darkness, he's a Tyrant, but subversive, with a primal urge to feed, and yet manipulative and deceptive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011121 Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Zorraida, the human who is so neverborn that she became a leader among neverborn, the plotter who keeps the war against the tyrants rolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MudgeBlack Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 As much as I dislike here, I voted Z, she seems to be the one the others defer to or go to when they need answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnternalVoid Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Or Zoraida, the one pulling all the strings from the swamp? (Also the oldest) Well first off Zoraida should not be the oldest, as she is actually human and Lilith remembers Zoraida being young as if it was not that long ago. Well if it is a face for the people, it is Lilith. She is the figurehead of the majority of Neverborn, the symbol that even the Guild recognizes. Now if it is the person that keeps the tactical and planning of the Neverborn going in a course of action, Zoraida. Lilith is a warleader and a politician, it is not to say she does not have foresight and strategic planning but she adknowledges Zoraida's expertese in manipulation, planning, plotting, and foresight. If Lilith is the face, Zoraida is the brains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q'iq'el Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Pandora cause she's the incarnation of the most dangerous aspect of the neverborn... the ability to blend in, to hide among humans until it's to late. Objectively speaking, ability to blend in and hide among humans must be the least Neverborny (-ish?) of them all. It's cool, sure, and it's pretty scary, but it means hiding the Neverborn in you and being something else... so it can't be the Neverborniest. Candy, Cade and Teddy, that's another story, but we are comparing the masters, not the crews... aren't we? I'd say it'd be tie between Lilith and Zoraida if not for the fact Zoraida was allegedly a human who switched sides long time ago (if I remember the fluff right). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybaris Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 To me it's Nekima , so i didn't vote...although Zoraida is a close second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilus Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 To me it's Nekima , so i didn't vote...although Zoraida is a close second. Its always Nekima with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybaris Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) lol, quite true :Paralyzed_Puppet: But i'm not saying Zoraida or Lilith are wrong choices, they arguably are the big deal, it's just that i associate Neverborn with Nephilim alot, and while lilith is their master, she doesn't scream "Nephilim" to the eye, while Nekima does. Edited September 9, 2012 by Sybaris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliver Chocobo Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Lilith, cause she is the master of Malifaux and the Queen of the Neverborn ---------- Post added at 10:54 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:51 AM ---------- Also Lilith is the oldest gets to tell everyone what to do, even her big sister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim Nate Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Had to go with Lilith. Nephilim where the crew that got me into the wonderful world of Malifaux (as my name suggests) I also like how the crew sits with Mythology, Mother of Monsters and all. And it seems I'm about to have a Lilith revival after playing her in the doubles. It seems that the crew I have love for is the one I'm playing at the time. So I might be using her in upcoming league..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setoth Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 To me, Lynch and the Dreamer don't fit into the Neverborn mold at all. Lynch is a servant to a Tyrant, which it seems like the Neverborn are dead set on fighting to the bitter end. Nytmare comes from a completely different dimension, so he's not really a native of Malifaux as the Neverborn were initially characterized. Honestly I'd consider Ophelia or Somer closer to Neverborn than Lynch or Nytmare simply because Gremlins *are* denizens of Malifaux. Zoraida is a human, though she's been warped by Malifaux. But even she herself acknowledges the limitations of her being human to Lilith when the Hooded Rider is mentioned in Twisting Fates, noting that she is not Neverborn in blood. Though I suppose the argument could be made that if the Hooded Rider revealed itself to her then she could qualify. And Pandora struck me more of a "weapon" than a "person" really. So if I had to rank Lilith Zoraida Pandora Nytmare Lynch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alviaran Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Is it actually confirmed that the Hungering Darkness is a Tyrant? I got the feeling he is actually another being entirely, like Nytmare, who just happened to be a contemporary of the Tyrants back in Old Malifaux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuesday Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) Ahh, I had no idea Zoraida was a human. Goes to show I need to brush up on my fluff. This (and the Resser thread) is really just sort of research for something I'm working on, and I thought it'd be best to go directly to the experts on those factions I have no idea about. Thanks for the help, everyone. I also thought Nekima would have a case as far as influential Nephilim go (as well as sheer menacing-size factor), but I'm trying to keep it to masters for now. Edited September 10, 2012 by Tuesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybaris Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Lilith, cause she is the master of Malifaux and the Queen of the Neverborn ---------- Post added at 10:54 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:51 AM ---------- Also Lilith is the oldest gets to tell everyone what to do, even her big sister just to correct this a little, Nekima is older than Lilith :Powerful_Puppet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adanedhel Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 To me, Lynch and the Dreamer don't fit into the Neverborn mold at all. Lynch is a servant to a Tyrant, which it seems like the Neverborn are dead set on fighting to the bitter end. I thought Neverborn was the term for all sentient inhabitants of Malifaux, as of pre-breach? For I do not think Tyrants can be discounted when summing up Neverborn. Weren't Tyrants Neverborn that grew so powerfull the other Neverborn no longer could stand against them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Darko Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I voted Lilith, because she's a symbol, the Public Enemy. And she's my favorite master xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybaris Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I thought Neverborn was the term for all sentient inhabitants of Malifaux, as of pre-breach? For I do not think Tyrants can be discounted when summing up Neverborn. Weren't Tyrants Neverborn that grew so powerfull the other Neverborn no longer could stand against them? I would guess that what he meant was that even if Tyrants were Neverborn, they now pursue their own agenda while the reminder of the Neverborn, as a faction, actively try to stop them as well as pushing back the "invaders" from earth. Otherwise gremlins would count as Neverborn too, unless i am mistaken about their origin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMills Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I felt compelled to vote for Mrs Z but managed to resist and went for Lilith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q'iq'el Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Otherwise gremlins would count as Neverborn too, unless i am mistaken about their origin. IIRC it's been suggested Gremlins are some form of degenerate Neverborn, living on their own and not mixing up with the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliver Chocobo Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 just to correct this a little, Nekima is older than Lilith :Powerful_Puppet: Oldest master Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Ruckuss Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Zoraida and Pandora have humna like qualities and are the most subversive. You could definitely large for the dreamer, but he possess human childlike qualities through the child aspect. Can't comment on Lynch yet, but its got to be the mother o' monsters as the poster girl for the born (and she seems to be the one alot of us start with, at least where I play). The brains behind the operation...well thats another poll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alviaran Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I do find it funny though that over half of the actual "Masters" in Neverborn are actually human (Zoraida, the Dreamer and Lynch). Granted, in at least two of those cases, there is more to the "Master" relationship than just the model called the Master. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliver Chocobo Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I do find it funny though that over half of the actual "Masters" in Neverborn are actually human (Zoraida, the Dreamer and Lynch). Granted, in at least two of those cases, there is more to the "Master" relationship than just the model called the Master. In same way even tough Neverborn top goal is to defeat the tyrants most of them are using their powers Pandora's box, LCB is one and the hungering darkness might be one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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