Arcane reservoir

[biffa]

Can anyone shed some light as to wether you can stack arcane reservoir.

For example, if i use arcane effigy with rasputina, do i get an additional two cards or just the one to my hand.

[Ratty]

Nope, Arcane Reservoirs don't stack.

[011121]

Which is the big drawback to the freikorps librarian, she has arcane reservoir but you get little benefit from it as you have to discard a card per turn (or paralyze her) so she basically prevents you from getting a "real" arcane reservoir some other way.

[Ozz]

Not really, as you have to discard the card anyway so it just means you get a 6 card hand instead of a 5 card hand. But yes ability's of the same name of not stack

[011121]

I think you misread me as that's what I said

[Ozz]

yes, yes i did, i am going to go shut up now

[Ratty]

I think you misread me as that's what I said

You are still cycling an extra card, you can throw a real bad card for the Librarian. It does turn out a bit more like Rush of Magic, but it's still a huge advantage.

[011121]

That's why I said little benefit instead of no benefit.

[Mister Shine]

But you also get to choose what suit your Ca is. Plus all the librarian's other abilities.

[011121]

The other abilities of the librarian are good, but it's arcane reservoir is a liability overall.

[Cunning]

The other abilities of the librarian are good, but it's arcane reservoir is a liability overall.

I'm not sure how arcane resevoir can be a liability? If anything is a liability it's that she has to discard a card when activating. But then she's a great model so that makes up for it imo.

Edited August 26, 2012 by CunningStunt

[011121]

That's what I mean you can't get the benefit of ad from another model but you also don't get the benefit of ad on the librarian. Worst of both worlds, really.

[Cunning]

That's what I mean you can't get the benefit of ad from another model but you also don't get the benefit of ad on the librarian. Worst of both worlds, really.

I dont understand. Why does it matter which model gives you arcane reservoir?

[dgraz]

I don't get how its the "worst of both worlds" either. I look at it like....the Librarian has this positive/negative ability that I can either discard any card I want to use the suit for casting or she can be paralyzed. That ability would be much more negative if she didn't have Arcane Reservoir. The Reservoir gives you an extra card to use for her.

Like Ratty said, it ends up working more like Rush of Magic, you get to draw an extra card but if you want to use her you discard one.

[011121]

somehow paying 7 soulstones (or more if bought as a merc) just for the ability to get an extra card (which is all you get if you don't sacrifice a card) is one hell of a steep cost.

Compare to the Arcane Effigy which gives you the extra card and is still able to act costs 3 or fewer soulstones.

But having the librarian means both you don't get the extra card (or you wasted 7ss) and you still can't get the extra card from taking an Effigy, which is why I said the worst of both worlds, not only not having the benefit but forgoing any chance to get the benefit.

Again that's not to say the other things the librarian brings to the table aren't worthwhile, it's just pointing out that it's arcane reservoir/receptacle combo is a liability and a bigger one than it first appears.

[Toonook]

I don't know of too many crews that would be taking both the librarian and arcane effigy though. Maybe the librarian and jack daw? I don't see it popping up too much to really gimp anyone.

[Mister Shine]

I don't think you should ever think of a model as a points cost = one ability it has. It isnt a 7SS arcane reservoir, its an entire package. And the Librarian is really quite good. But if you really just want AR and dont care how you get it, take Jack Daw?

[The Godlyness]

Librarian. Heals things. How is that ever a waste?

[Cats Laughing]

I think your use of the word liability is somewhat skewed from what the other posters believe it means, but I understand what you're trying to say:

The Librarian has a nice ability (Arcane Reservoir), but it comes with a downside (need to discard a card to activate the Librarian), and because of the name of the ability it stops you from benefiting from the Arcane Reservoir carried by other models.

Ultimately Arcane Reservoir is a good thing for the Librarian to have. It's the discard a card rule that it the downside of taking her, and Arcane Reservoir helps to partially mitigate that rule. Trust me, you'd be kind of annoyed of the Librarian lost Arcane Reservoir and essentially dropped your hand to 5 cards or forced you to take a model with Arcane Reservoir just to have 6.

However, it's not truly a liability (ie: something that is just a downward balancing item). The fact that she needs to dump a card is a balancing factor against her other abilities. That she has Arcane Reservoir allows you to still have a 6 card hard (rather than a 5 card hand). That Arcane Reservoir doesn't stack is just another balancing factor when she combines with specific other models. Whether all these factors lead to a truly balanced model is something I won't bother trying to figure out.