Can you Obey an Obey?

[Setoth]

I feel like this is a stupid newb question, but I feel compelled to ask. Hypothetically speaking, could you Obey another Obey command? The wording on the spell says "can only be cast once per activation." Does that mean that written instance of that spell, or the spell Obey and all spells named Obey can only be cast once per activation? I feel like for the sake of fairness it's the second reading but I can't seem to find any indication either way.

Hypothetical Example Situation: I have aZoraida and a Doppleganger. aZoraida has used Obey for her activation. The Doppleganger activates and takes aZoraida's Obey and CA stat. Doppleganger casts Obey on aZoraida, I cheat so the Obey is successfully cast. Could I then force aZoraida to cast Obey, theoretically giving her a second chance to use Obey with access to the Conduit ability of her presumably summoned Voodoo Doll and trigger for Master of Manipulation?

[Ratty]

The answer is yes you can obey to obey, but no you can't do your example as you can't obey a Master and aZoraida counts as a Master. Oh and I also believe you can't copy abilities off an Avatar.

[Setoth]

Ahhh, wasn't aware you couldn't Obey a Master. Was that an errata or am I missing something in the text that's glaringly obvious?

[GrAYFoX]

Good to know. From the way Obey is written, I would have thought you were still in the first model's activation. Hence, the Obey limit had been reached even if it was an Obeyed minion (such as a non companioned Enslaved Nephalim) casting it (effectively 3 Obeys).

[Ratty]

You are missing something in the text.

[Setoth]

Mind if I get a page number from a book? I wanna make sure I'm not missing anything else.

[Ratty]

it's on every obey. I believe.

[Setoth]

Hmmmm, both my book and my card list the text as "target model" immediately takes the action, and can only be cast once per activation. Did it get reprinted and I've been basing it off of an old print? I know I can't Conduit a Master but I didn't know I couldn't cast Obey on them.

Edit:I checked Perdita's entry in the book and it says the same. But when I check aZoraida's it does specifically say non-Master, so I'm thinking I just have old prints of the book and the Zoraida card. Now I'm glad I asked, I never would have thought to look at aZoraida's Obey. Thanks for the info Ratty!

Edited August 10, 2012 by Setoth

[GrAYFoX]

Hmmmm, both my book and my card list the text as "target model" immediately takes the action, and can only be cast once per activation. Did it get reprinted and I've been basing it off of an old print? I know I can't Conduit a Master but I didn't know I couldn't cast Obey on them.

You must have an out of date card. The v2 card for Zoraida has "Target non-Master model" as the first sentence in Obey along with the Twisting Fates aZoraida book entry:

http://www.wyrd-games.net/StatCards/Neverbornv2.pdf

Edited August 10, 2012 by GrAYFoX
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[Alviaran]

Check the v2 cards on the site. I had a similar problem. v1 Zoraida just says "Target model", which is the card I have. v2 says "Non-master".

However, I am also not aware of where it says you cannot copy abilities from avatars. Any link/page on that Ratty? Have I missed something?

[Setoth]

Ahhhh, thanks mate! I'll print out Zoraida's v2 stat card for my next game.

Well this is embarrassing haha. Learn something new every day!

[Ratty]

p42, says you may not copy or use Avatar's abilities with non-totems.

[Sevorin]

Another thing to point out: The Doppelganger cannot copy the CA stat.

[The Godlyness]

p42, says you may not copy or use Avatar's abilities with non-totems.

Since Totems die when you manifest so that still is sad.

[Adran]

Since Totems die when you manifest so that still is sad.

At least 2 avatars can have still have a connected totem, so they can use magical extension...

[egoon]

I thought you could pay a soulstone to keep a Totem alive when manifesting?

[011121]

However, I am also not aware of where it says you cannot copy abilities from avatars. Any link/page on that Ratty? Have I missed something?

Ditto, can we get clarification on that point?

[Adran]

Ditto, can we get clarification on that point?

As Ratty has already said

Page 42 (Twisting fates I assume).

[Tograth]

it lists it in book 3 on the very first page of general avatar rules. I don't have the page number, but its in the left column, about half way down the page.

it's what stops lazarus being absolutely despicable with aRamos - if he could copy aRamos, he could nab ramos' (1) to gain scrap and churn out the scrap.

[Alviaran]

I thought you could pay a soulstone to keep a Totem alive when manifesting?

No. Totems are always removed. There is one who may pay to keep some around (Som'er) and Zoraida can summon hers back. You may discard a soulstone for a healing flip during Manifestation.

Thank you Ratty. I missed that.

[011121]

As Ratty has already said

Page 42 (Twisting fates I assume).

Interesting. Random, but interesting. Probably could have been made a bit more obvious, really. How many people reference page 42 when playing with avatars rather than the avatar card itself?

[Ratty]

Interesting. Random, but interesting. Probably could have been made a bit more obvious, really. How many people reference page 42 when playing with avatars rather than the avatar card itself?

Well there are other important things there like, the Avatar counts as the same model as the original Master for Schemes. Avatars count as Masters etc.

That is the page for the General rules for Avatars.

[011121]

Sure but most of those are self explanatory and frankly obvious. The not copyable thing kind of comes out of left field.