*Jack* Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Hi all, just wondering what the consensus on the options for ramos's totem were. Both are extremely valuable, and I'd take both if I could, but... Mobile toolkit - Nice to get the extra tome, makes casting some spells easier, and triggers surge on every casting I love the idea of this, but I can't see, in any way, how this would be better than... Brass arachnid - Reactivate a construct. WTFLOL. That's amazing. Charge steambourg in, charge attack and melee expert, reactivate for 3 attacks. WOWZA. Anyone have any opinions or experiences? Am I overlooking something? Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrocky Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Mobile toolkit every single time. If you don't take it Ramos struggles to cast spells, and it gives you hand recycling. Brass Arachnid looks good, but there's only 4 (Maybe 5, can't remember) cards in the whole deck that can give reactivate (And you could use those cards for uber damage etc), reactivate is super situational, and the arachnid just sort of doesn't do anything if you don't hit those needed cards. Honestly? Mobile toolkit 100% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrocky Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 One extra thing, it the MT turns Ramos from a luck dependant/suit dependant master, into a reliable master. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicFOX Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 +1 to what Craig (ukrocky) says. MTK every time. Brass Arachnid is show over substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastDinosaur Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Tbh if I were to start Ramos I'd probably take neither and just go with the avatar instead :x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmdown Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Tbh if I were to start Ramos I'd probably take neither and just go with the avatar instead :x You'd still take the Toolkit. Makes manifesting way easier, makes you better whilst you aren't manifested, and you can blow it up for scrap before you manifest (right?). Toolkit is epic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicFOX Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) Yes, or have the SS miner kill it to get the soul stone back As CalmDown says, you need the MTK to make sure Ramos can cast Construct Spider and Summon Electrical Creation. Without this he's so :tomes dependant that he struggles to perform at all. Edited January 25, 2012 by mythicFOX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Bigglesworth Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Also mobile toolkit, frees up books in your hand for your crew. So more books for brutal and Kaeris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRC Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Hi all, just wondering what the consensus on the options for ramos's totem were. Both are extremely valuable, and I'd take both if I could, but... Mobile toolkit - Nice to get the extra tome, makes casting some spells easier, and triggers surge on every casting I love the idea of this, but I can't see, in any way, how this would be better than... Brass arachnid - Reactivate a construct. WTFLOL. That's amazing. Charge steambourg in, charge attack and melee expert, reactivate for 3 attacks. WOWZA. Anyone have any opinions or experiences? Am I overlooking something? Jack You're overlooking that the steamborg has Flurry. 4 Attacks. If you have another source of cards, Rusty Alyce for example, you can often make do without the MTk. Then, with good card discipline, you can make a couple critical reactivates in critical turns, and that could be huge. If you're going to do this, don't plan on being able to summon every turn, certainly don't plan on double-summons. Unless you're willing to burn SS to make your low-tomes into high tomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicFOX Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 There are only four cards in your deck that can cast Stoke; 11,12 & 13:tomes and the Red Joker. Assuming you hold these for Stoke then you're down to 3 or 4 cards in the deck you can use to summon EC and Spiders. If Ramos isn't summoning (or an Avatar) he probably isn't doing anything of value in a given turn. For me the chance that he might get some cool reactivate trick off is much worse than having him actually work all the time. If you want to play so something cool happens one game in four then that's cool, you're just shooting yourself in the foot for the other three game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_like_you Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Adding in Alyce to the equation, you can use her to grant Reactivate via Burnout, use the Tool Kit to help Ramos with his Tomes, sack it for the 'stones, healing, or whatnot, manifest Ramos on his second activation, and the effects of Burnout just fall right off. Depending on which turn / how much ap that cost you, proceed to go crazy with Avatar Ramos this turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsComedian Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Yeah, I too prefer the Mobile Toolkit every time. Those tomes are too good to pass up, plus the healing and exploding characteristics. If Brass Arachnid brought SOMETHING else to the table, maybe he'd be worth it. But a 4/52 chance to reactivate as the only benefit, he's not too good at all. The only place where he excels over the toolkit is in spellcasting, since he has a slightly higher cast, but all of Ramos good spells are suit dependent, so this won't necessarily help much. The one place I do run a Brass Arachnid is in dual master games. Hoffman with Mechanical Attendant and Ramos with Brass Arachnid means you can grant tomes to the Arachnid and hence his reactivate spell is 300% more likely to be useable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Jack* Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Ah... Didnt see the extra tome on the arachnid. Going on this, I've pretty much decided to run the mobile toolkit with my ramos Getting a surge trigger every time seems like a good way to recycle low cards for hopefully high ones. Also considering running avatar ramos, can manifest turn 2, but I'll lose my mobile toolkit which is a shame Anyone have an experience with this? is it even worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Bigglesworth Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 It can be worth it if you want Ramos avatar by end of turn 2. Just look at it like you are spending an AP and 3ss for a scrap counter. Personally I would rather have the extra spider, or put the 3ss into another minion and manifest turn 3 or 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrouchingMoose Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 I will never forget the first game I played with Ramos. My opponent decided to go after the MTK once he got in range. After it died at the end of turn 4, Ramos spent turns 5 and 6 trying to summon. Even with the ability to cheat and soulstone, he mabey got 1 electrical creation on turn 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_like_you Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Yeah, :tomes are important. Manifesting early and beating face with Avatar Ramos is situational, but impressive nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rannith Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 I am a complete neophyte to Malifaux but if you took a henchman and attached the Mobile Toolkit to them you would get the best of both worlds wouldn't you? All the benefits and no sacrifice when going all Avatar? If I have missed something please tell me. Rannith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsComedian Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Totems like the Mobile Toolkit can only be attached to certain masters. He can not be attached to a henchman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rannith Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Ahh, oops missed that limitation. Are all totems like that or just some? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_like_you Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Just some. If it specifically has a Master's name, then only they can attach to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rannith Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Ah, thanks. I suppose you could do it in a brawl with two masters if you didn't intend to Avatar one of them. C.Hoffman and Ramos working together, the way it was meant to be. Rannith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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