magicpockets Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Are there any minions he can take which give armour? I can't remember if the Guardian does, and there may be others. I just haven't got my book here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 The guardian can give armour after its activated. Can't think of anything else which can give armour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMills Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 The Guardian does I think you need to be base contact with it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAH Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 Leveticus will still take wounds doing just about anything on his card. It would be much better to use the Guardian to protect his Waifs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stern Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 i do use a grave spirit as collodi's totem when playing levi then usually stick it to a dead rider or levi... it would stack with teh guardians +2 also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisted Metal Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 i do use a grave spirit as collodi's totem when playing levi then usually stick it to a dead rider or levi... it would stack with teh guardians +2 also Grave spirit only gives +2 armor to undead. Unfortunately Levi is not (for some odd reason) undead. Leveticus will still take wounds doing just about anything on his card. It would be much better to use the Guardian to protect his Waifs. Ordinarily yes but not when the point of the armor is to survive a first turn attack run from LCB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stern Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 Grave spirit only gives +2 armor to undead. Unfortunately Levi is not (for some odd reason) undead. my bad, missed that bit! still waifs are undead right? keep one alive (the hard part) and you are laughing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAH Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 The reason Levi isn't undead is that he actually comes back to life after he dies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurry Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 yeah waifs are still undead so the grave spirit can give them armour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMills Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 Bought my self a Guardian to keep my Waifs alive current goto list is Leveticus, Steampunk Necromancer -- 6 Pool Canine Remains Guardian Rusty Alyce 4 Steampunk Abomination Does Collodi play well in a levi list ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregdorf Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 You could make levi undead if you took molly and her totem, but then you would not be able to take the grave spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegantir Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 Does Collodi play well in a levi list ? Yes. Collodi puts Levi on level with the top tier masters in my opinion. It gives his list the movement shenanigans that the top tier lists have, which is one of the main things making them top tier. Killing multiple enemy models, before they even get their first activation, is the hotness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadaka Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 This does not come close to making him top tier. The only reason that levi is not a top tier master is he has a number of very bad matchups. Taking collodi vs the top masters who can pick him off very easy just leaves you spending all those points on collodi instead of just taking collodi in the first place and you lose access to stitched his best model. Levi has has a number of movement tricks to do all sorts of missions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted December 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 Leveticus will still take wounds doing just about anything on his card. It would be much better to use the Guardian to protect his Waifs. Can the guardian not take the wounds from Levi using his talents? I've not checked recently but thought that would work okay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necromorph Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 Can the guardian not take the wounds from Levi using his talents? I've not checked recently but thought that would work okay? Hmmm, I'll have to check later, I can't remember if that works or not...gut feeling says it does, but I'll have to read the card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegantir Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 This does not come close to making him top tier. The only reason that levi is not a top tier master is he has a number of very bad matchups. Taking collodi vs the top masters who can pick him off very easy just leaves you spending all those points on collodi instead of just taking collodi in the first place and you lose access to stitched his best model. Levi has has a number of movement tricks to do all sorts of missions. I guess we have to disagree on this. I have seen what Collodi can do, and can say that Collodi can make nearly any master top tier, let alone Levi who is pretty good by himself. When you can first turn drop 5 models in your opponents deployment zone, with their full activation (except one of the Marionettes that used 1 AP to get there), all of which have fast, and 3 of which have melee expert, you are going to do some serious damage to anyone. Add to that that all but 2 of them can activate together, the result is an alpha strike that can be brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted December 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 I guess we have to disagree on this. I have seen what Collodi can do, and can say that Collodi can make nearly any master top tier, let alone Levi who is pretty good by himself. When you can first turn drop 5 models in your opponents deployment zone, with their full activation (except one of the Marionettes that used 1 AP to get there), all of which have fast, and 3 of which have melee expert, you are going to do some serious damage to anyone. Add to that that all but 2 of them can activate together, the result is an alpha strike that can be brutal. This doesn't sound right - want to walk us through the steps for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 I agree, it looks wrong. It takes 3 Marionette activations to move Collodi into an opponents deployment (2 for diagonal deployment) Pull Strings is only once per turn. Sure, the third one can get 2-3 attacks against something, and you'll have a 4th with 4 attacks still to activate, and can then bring in Wicked dolls on their own activation (with Fast and melee expert if you wanted). You also leave a pile of Marionettes behind, costing you the potential to alpha strike next turn. Don't get me wrong, Its viable and scary, especially if you have a few weak but valuble models (Hollow waif and daydreams spring to mind...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegantir Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 I agree, it looks wrong. It takes 3 Marionette activations to move Collodi into an opponents deployment (2 for diagonal deployment) Pull Strings is only once per turn. Sure, the third one can get 2-3 attacks against something, and you'll have a 4th with 4 attacks still to activate, and can then bring in Wicked dolls on their own activation (with Fast and melee expert if you wanted). You also leave a pile of Marionettes behind, costing you the potential to alpha strike next turn. Don't get me wrong, Its viable and scary, especially if you have a few weak but valuble models (Hollow waif and daydreams spring to mind...) You have it correct there. You also only leave 2 Marionettes behind, and if you do it right, you can attack models, that your opponent has already activated, with the second one, and it may still be within 6" for next turn (big may there). It works like this: Collodi activates inside a cluster of 4 Marionettes and 3 Wicked Dolls. Gives them all Fast. Gives 2-3 Marionettes and 3 Doll Melee Expert (You need two 9+ in your hand and at least one needs to be a :masks, but two :masks will get everyone listed, otherwise less things get Melee Expert). Doll Friend on one of the Wicked Dolls, so that it activates after him. His activation ends having spent all 4 AP that he can. First Marionette activates. Moves 5" Forward. Pull String until the back of its base is at the extreme end of 8" forward. Collodi moves in front of the Marionette (a move of just over 10". This puts Collodi a little over 16" up the board). Pass the rest of its AP and end its activation. Second Marionette activates. Retract, then repeat what the first Marionette did. If there is an enemy at the end of the Pull Strings you still have 1 AP for an attack or 2 AP if you had two masks for giving Melee Expert earlier. If not, you pass the rest of your actions. This puts Collodi a little over 26" across the board, depending on terrain. Third Marionette activates. Retract then Pull Strings puts Collodi 33" across the board (you will probably not need to move the full as you do not need to be in your opponents deployment zone, but just outside of it, where your opponents models are), and the Marionette still has 2 AP and Melee Expert for 4 attacks with Flurry, all in your opponents deployment zone. Fourth Marionette activates. Retract. Pull Strings if you still need to move Collodi around some. This leave the Marionette 2-3 AP and Melee Expert, for 3-5 attacks, all in your opponent deployments zone. The Wicked Doll that is Doll Friended now activates. Hag's Toys up, and has 4 AP for attacks. That all activates together via Holding the Strings and Doll Friend. You still have 2 more Wicked Dolls to activate after your opponent activates, and if your opponent does not one shot Collodi (which you will be spending stones like candy to keep alive), you will get them into your opponents deployment zone via Hag's Toys. You left a total of 2 Marionettes behind, one of them may still be at the extreme end of 6" depending on where your final Pull Strings put you. If Collodi survives the turn (even if it runs you out of stones), you are going to do some serious damage again next turn. This entire time the other master that you took is doing their thing, setting up to play cleanup, which Levi does well with. This is all theoryfaux, but I have seen it happen, so it can and does happen. You can also wait and do all of this second turn for even more fun, the only problem with that is that it gives your opponent a chance to spread out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted December 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Collodi activates inside a cluster of 4 Marionettes and 3 Wicked Dolls. Gives them all Fast. Gives 2-3 Marionettes and 3 Doll Melee Expert (You need two 9+ in your hand and at least one needs to be a :masks, but two :masks will get everyone listed, otherwise less things get Melee Expert). Doll Friend on one of the Wicked Dolls, so that it activates after him. His activation ends having spent all 4 AP that he can. How is Collodi getting 4AP here? He doesn't give himself (+1)Fast if that's what you're thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerdelemental Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Grave spirit only gives +2 armor to undead. Unfortunately Levi is not (for some odd reason) undead. Because he's alive and not dead. It's the same odd reason you're not undead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kael Hate Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Because he's alive and not dead. It's the same odd reason you're not undead. You are aware that Levi isn't Living either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted December 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Because he's alive and not dead. It's the same odd reason you're not undead. You are aware that Levi isn't Living either? Neither is Twisted Metal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerdelemental Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 You are aware that Levi isn't Living either? Pretty aware of Levi's background, yeah. (he's an anomoly. That's always been part of his inclusion in the world ~ he's alive but different. The core storyline sheds some light upon his quirky abilities) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisted Metal Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Neither is Twisted Metal I will neither confirm or deny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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