HandsomeDan Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 I thought this might be a fun topic to discuss. Like the title says: you are starting a new crew completely from scratch, and your only imperative is that Hamelin be included. What master has the most to give him? Or which master can he give the most too? Is there a faction that can benefit most from having a ht 1 model from another faction? I like the thought of Viktorias because Hamelin already has some good synergy with them and some other mercs. Have Hamelin bring along candy for her Sweets to get some otherwise unavailable healing flips. But that would mean you are shelling out a lot for support models even if you are paying 1 less point for Hamelin. Not that healing is all candy's good for. Cade could work too but then no cool Teddy swaps. Throw a student of conflict in there for an extra piper's lure casting. But there have to be plenty of other great ideas. Anyone have any good ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagelong Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 He'd work pretty cool with Zoraida I think. It might be a little redundant though, I'm not big into either of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headcase2 Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 I haven't had a chance to try it out yet, but Hamelin could help out Sonnia a lot by giving her an Essence of Power (she becomes far less soulstone-dependant with that on damage flips) and then bunching up the bad guys for some explosive goodness. Just make sure Hamelin stays close enough so the Essence doesn't drop dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetang22 Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 One of the most popular ideas early on was with Lilith. You would take terror tots to run up the sides of the board, then have Lilith make them swap places with any enemy model from closer to the center. Next, with the enemy model now on the edge of the board, have Hamelin pop them off the side for a kill. Its relativley effective, and nice to see Lilith used as a spell combo character, rather than the usual beatdown she is played as. The bonus too is that you have Lilith's regular playstyle as a backup in the event that Hamelin kicks the bucket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeDan Posted March 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 I haven't had a chance to try it out yet, but Hamelin could help out Sonnia a lot by giving her an Essence of Power (she becomes far less soulstone-dependant with that on damage flips) and then bunching up the bad guys for some explosive goodness. Just make sure Hamelin stays close enough so the Essence doesn't drop dead. Sadly Hamelin can't give a master access to any out of faction totems. But Obey could be great for bunching up guys under templates. The Lilith idea is also very cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ropetus Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 Sadly Hamelin can't give a master access to any out of faction totems. But Obey could be great for bunching up guys under templates. Actually he can. The only restriction is that most Totems can only be taken with a certain Master so taking those is useless. The general Faction totems (Gov's Proxy, Grave Spirit, Essence of Power, Primordial Magic) can be recruited by Hamelin's ability to another faction. However, the Essence (and maybe Prim magic) is the only one worth to take of those IMO, the Proxy and Grave Spirit have main abilities which only for their own faction so taking them with Hamelin is quite a waste. -Ropetus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeDan Posted March 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 Totems have to be connected to a Master when hired. And a Master can only have one totem attached to them (unless their rules state otherwise, Nicodem, Som'er Teeth, etc.) The totems that are associated with specific Masters would probably not be able to be hired. The 'generic' faction totems, I'll have to check on. But if I were to hazard a guess I'd say no. While it may change in the future this statement is enough to keep me from buying any out of faction totems to use with Hamelin and growing influence. There's more bad news in the thread I lifted the quote from. The errata on Hamelin doesn't say anything about growing influence either. There definitely would be a lot of potential for crazy combos with out of faction totems if you could though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headcase2 Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Would be nice to get an official ruling on this. Hamelin's ability doesn't say that the model is in any way linked to him other than the fact that it takes off if he's too far away at the start of its activation. So RAW I'd still say that he can get you totems, RAI may be a different story but I'm no mindreader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assimilation Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Hamelin Growing Influence Q: Can a Crew hire other faction’s Totems with Growing Influence? A: Yes. Hamelin’s Crew can hire Ht 1 Totems from any faction, but any restrictions on connecting the hired Totems remain in effect. Found here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wombats Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 I'm planning on fielding Hamlin with Pandora for the Willpower duel synergy. The question is, what Height 1 models are worthwhile for her? Student of Conflict is an unaligned Totem she could take. Fast Teddy with 1 AP Charges Essence of Power won't help. Could Governor's Proxy could be used to give Willpower duels a +2 advantage, only problem is you can't afford to fail. Piglets? Arachnid Swarm? Hoarcat Prides using her neg flip to Defense duels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 I would pretty much always hire primordial magic with growing influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joona Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 (edited) I'm planning on fielding Hamlin with Pandora for the Willpower duel synergy. The question is, what Height 1 models are worthwhile for her? Student of Conflict is an unaligned Totem she could take. Fast Teddy with 1 AP Charges Essence of Power won't help. Could Governor's Proxy could be used to give Willpower duels a +2 advantage, only problem is you can't afford to fail. Piglets? Arachnid Swarm? Hoarcat Prides using her neg flip to Defense duels? Student of Conflict might be good with his ability to give fast but he's 4SS. That might be a bit too much considering that you're already paying 10SS for Hamelin and 9SS for Teddy. Maybe in a bigger game it could work if you manage to surprise your enemy. Kade with Fast moving first, then casting Backstab and then striking with melee expert isn't too shabby either. Fast works with pretty much anything. Essence of power doesn't help as you said and Governor's Proxy gives his WP bonus to friendly Guild models. And I would not take him with Pandora anyway. With all those WP duels going on you are bound to lose a few. A single Hoarcat pride isn't worth it as there's not much that it could devour. The piglet would start rampaging without any friendly gremlins to keep him in line. Edited March 15, 2010 by Joona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeDan Posted March 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Found here right... the faq... the document that contains answers to frequently asked questions. Oops. I forget how new this game is. Somehow I got the impression that the discussion I linked was newer than the faq. But at any rate, thats just one more reason to love Hamelin. A giant mosquito could be really helpful to the right master with its speed and maneuverability combined with arcane extension. Just a thought. His low Ca is painfully apparent though. I'd also been thinking Hamelin could be fun with Seamus and his ladies with them using Lure while standing near a table edge. Then Hamelin could finish the job. Is there a totem that could help Seamus with casting flips so he can summon Belles more easily? I'll have to check when I get home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headcase2 Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Still can't use mosquitoes with anyone but Som'er; only the totems that say "companion: master" without further specification can be recruited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wombats Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 So there is really not a lot that jumps out as fantastic with Hamlin and Pandora, is there? I guess Pandora already having access to a lot of good Height 1 models kind of nips it in the bud. Mind you, he is a perfect sidekick for Pandora regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 So hiring Hamelin without using Growing Influence is not a good use of 9SS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarel Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 So hiring Hamelin without using Growing Influence is not a good use of 9SS? In a Merc force it's fine. I never use Growing Influence and get a lot of good use out of Hamelin. My favourite Vik Crew is: Viktorias 3 x Ronin Convict Gunslinger Hamelin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rathnard Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 (edited) I think Pandora has excellent synergy with Hamelin, since she'll get the most out of all those Wp duels. Here's a random list that could work; Pandora Hamelin 10 Doppelganger 8 Sorrow 3 Sorrow 3 (24 SS) The Doppleganger can copy Pandora's Emotional trauma for additional wounds at range, allowing the entire crew to put some serious hurt on anyone who gets into 12". On the negative, it's going to be terrible in Reconnoite (which is often a problem for Pandy) and Wp duels are it's only trick. There's no Kade or Teddy for Plan B if you're opponents Wp defense is too strong to reliably get around. Zoraida could also work, with both being capable long-ranged casters. I'm not sure about the best approach though. 25 SS seems too small to fit him in (I keep wanting to add him plus a mature nephilim), although he might work at 35SS. Here's something crazy that'd take good advantage of all those obeys; Zoraida Hamelin 10 Mature Nephilim 10 Mature Nephilim 10 Terror Tot 3 (33 SS) The tot is there because I had SS to spare, I can grow him and because he can lure the Mature Nephilim to his position if/when he dies. Edited April 13, 2010 by Rathnard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 In a Merc force it's fine. I never use Growing Influence and get a lot of good use out of Hamelin. My favourite Vik Crew is: Viktorias 3 x Ronin Convict Gunslinger Hamelin I want to try this out, I hope my LGS has a Hamelin blister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n0signal Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 I've used Hamelin with Zoraida once (the one and only time my Hamelin has seen the board thus far) and he was decent - it was a bit overkill on the Obey's tho TBH (Zoraida already has access to two with her totem!) and I found myself wanting a straight damage dealer more in the end. Still, I'll give him another go, I think it very much depends on the crew opposite you - if they're effective at killing themselves via Obey then he's great, otherwise it's a lot of points invested in something that can kill by itself aside from walking you to the board edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 I want to try this out, I hope my LGS has a Hamelin blister. my LGS had a Hamelin blister! The only challenge is that he is so skinny and is on a 50mm base! Also is that a free standing rat on the sprue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosobscuros Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Maybe the one that gets glued onto the staff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarel Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 my LGS had a Hamelin blister! The only challenge is that he is so skinny and is on a 50mm base! Also is that a free standing rat on the sprue? Yup he is a skinny little wretch. I used a scenic base so as he didn't look so lonely on the 50mm - Hamelin and his dog are on the lower level and then I used the spare rat on the upper level to make it feel more like a scenario. In fact, if you'll excuse the tabletop quality, I might as well put up a pic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Yup he is a skinny little wretch. I used a scenic base so as he didn't look so lonely on the 50mm - Hamelin and his dog are on the lower level and then I used the spare rat on the upper level to make it feel more like a scenario. In fact, if you'll excuse the tabletop quality, I might as well put up a pic... nice! thanks! I had the base in hand, but returned it before I got to the counter, it looks like I should've kept it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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