Haka and focus.

[Korrok]

Had a disagreement concerning hakas ngeri and focus come up recently. When a model with focus takes an attack against a model in the haka aura, say a shot that has friendly fire on it. Can they use focus to still get to a straight flip or does the haka aura make them ignore the focus and stay at a negative? I believe a player argued that going from a - to straight is not considered having a + while the other argues that the focus is applying a + to get back to straight and that + would be ignored as per haka. 

[santaclaws01]

They ignore their positives flips, so there's nothing to cancel out the negative flip.

[Korrok]

14 minutes ago, santaclaws01 said:

They ignore their positives flips, so there's nothing to cancel out the negative flip.

Yeah think the argument is that the focus cancels the negative before the aura makes them ignore the +

[PiersonsMuppeteer]

27 minutes ago, Korrok said:

Yeah think the argument is that the focus cancels the negative before the aura makes them ignore the +

Haka is an Aura, and is a constant effect. At no point does one stop ignoring positive flips so that you can use a positive flip to cancel a negative flip.

[touchdown]

yeah pretty sure it stops positive flips before they have a chance to cancel out negatives. So it can be quite brutal

[Korrok]

I agree with the points made. Plus the faq in luck thief seems to also back up this line of reasoning. Honestly an aura that's supposed to make someone ignore +s not being applied until after the benefit of the + happens makes no sense to me. 

[Adran]

9 hours ago, Korrok said:

I agree with the points made. Plus the faq in luck thief seems to also back up this line of reasoning. Honestly an aura that's supposed to make someone ignore +s not being applied until after the benefit of the + happens makes no sense to me. 

I agree, based on the timing given for the Luck thief ruling, this would be the same.