izikial Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 hi guys, i may be paranoid but i am starting to worry about the emissary thye have proven they can evolv and get more powerful, in 1 expac they levelled up impressively what will happen next expac?my personal thoughts (fears)disclaimer, this is tinfoil hat, and i am also only half way through the new book and cant remember most of 1st edis they will become new hosts for the remaining tyrants, my reasoning:they have already shown they can evolve and improve in power so this may be some were in the middle of there evolutionthey were empty vessels imbued with magic, its possible stronger magic (tyrants) might posses themthe conflux upgrades show there ability to take in magic from powerful entities near them and that they can adapt and use itthey want a home and to feel a part of something, a tyrant may be able to give them a sense of belongingi cant remember how many tyrants there are, but with the ones we know about (Sonia, Hamlin ect) and the 7 emissaries were not far of that numberplease speculate and feel free to tell me i'm being a fool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I find it unlikely that they will evolve further without some kind of powerful catalyst. You should finish reading the book before speculating too much on this. The reason for their evolution this time is revealed there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 There are 13 Tyrants (maybe 14) and a lot of those are accounted for (or at least speculated about). The number and affiliation of Emissaries doesn't really fit to that list. The latest thread about them can be found HERE. Feel free to speculate about their identities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izikial Posted September 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 so, its obvious people think I'm wrong and silly,disclaimer, still havnt finished book 3 I'm half way through the gremlins storyso. There are 12 tyrants, but 1 is a pairplague - hamlinDecember - raspyobliteration - taranytmear - dreamercherufe - sonniadragon 1 - shenlongok so there is 7 left, so working so fardragon 2 - ten thunder emissary is a dragonwitness - guild is about law and order (sort of)fortune - gremlin emissary is called luckygorgon - in some law (Jason and the Argonauts) a gorgon Is a bull like creature, also possible the resser onemeridian - meridian has all to do with land and crossing points of power so for me its the nb emissary (side note a meridian line I also a perfect circumference, lucky emissary?)despair - ressers love there horror tests and most stories in malifaux containing despair also contain undeadshezzul - I have nothing to go on othere than the viks upgrade, as they are in outcast and I believe emissary's are vessels that can accept power, I think it will seep into the hodgepodgethere we go, call me crazy, but it works out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticPangolin Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 gorgon - in some law (Jason and the Argonauts) a gorgon Is a bull like creature, also possible the resser oneIsn't that a Minotaur? Not sure that Jason ran into Gorgons, Perseus did though, and Theseus dealt with the Minotaur of Crete.Please correct me if I am mistaken! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 gorgon - in some law (Jason and the Argonauts) a gorgon Is a bull like creature, also possible the resser one Isn't that a Minotaur? Not sure that Jason ran into Gorgons, Perseus did though, and Theseus dealt with the Minotaur of Crete.Please correct me if I am mistaken! It is. Gorgons are snake haired ladies, Medusa was a specific gorgon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izikial Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 yup one depiction of a gorgon is a snake haird lady, but another is a bull on all 4s breathing noxius fumes, and Jason did fight one, right at the end. Google gorgon and you will find pics of a bull, your talking about a minotaur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 yup one depiction of a gorgon is a snake haird lady, but another is a bull on all 4s breathing noxius fumes, and Jason did fight one, right at the end. Google gorgon and you will find pics of a bull, your talking about a minotaurIf I google gorgon I get a million pictures of snake haired ladies, sometimes with the lower body replaced by a snake as well. There a few images of bulls but they are all from Advanced Dungeons & Dragons pages! Looking at wikipedia for Gorgon the Greeks seems to have a couple of other types of monsters also called Gorgon, but none are described as bulls, cows, or cattle. So sorry, but I value mythological sources quite a lot higher than AD&D.Jason fought some bulls called Khalkotauroi. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) He didn't actually fight them. He needed to use them to plow a field to sow dragon's teeth that would then spring up into armored warriors called spartoi. He was given a magical ointment to protect him from their flames. But unless you are counting getting them into their traces as fighting them there was no battle.Bengt is correct as to the d&d origins of the Gorgon you describe. The only classical Gorgons were Stheno, Euryale and Medusa, none of which were Bulls with petrifying breath. Edited September 15, 2015 by Fetid Strumpet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Also, when Molly takes a picture of the Gorgon's Tear in a museum there is an apparition of a snake haired lady in the background when the photo is developed, so it seems clear where Wyrd takes their inspiration. - "Seamus crashes a funeral", Chronicles #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izikial Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 some images of bull style gorgon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaclaws01 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 some images of bull style gorgon Yeah that's DnD. Greek Gorgons aren't bulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izikial Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 so i have read the full book 3 and still maintain that emissary's seem like conduits of energy able (and willing) to take power that is thrust/offerd to them. there remaining numbers match the number of remaining tyrants and there are a number of similarity's, I may and well be and expect to be wrong, but seemed like a nifty idea, it was a tinfoil hat after allit would also make game sens in a way as it would provide an opatunity for them to incorporate all the tyrants that im sure will apear in later story while making sure each faction gets one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaclaws01 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Well there's 2 things you are wrong about, but this is just nitpicking; What Gorgon(the Tyrant) looks like and Meridions name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticPangolin Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I don't think it's a bad idea, but some of the matches are a little hard to make work.I'm sure we'll get some more scraps of info on the Tyrants before another year passes. It'll be interesting to see what some of their agendas are and how they go about achieving them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasari Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 some images of bull style gorgon Yeah that's DnD. Greek Gorgons aren't bulls.that particular image is from The Historie of Foure Footed Beasts by Edward Topsell , published in 1607. Gygax used this book as inspiration for the first monster manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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