Attrition Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Here's why: Beta testing let us preview the contents of Shifting Loyalties months in advance of the actual release. Though Gencon is not an in-store release date, the majority of people who are going to be at the Nationals probably have it, or have someone in their group who does The models that have changed from the Beta have not changed drastically. Subtle changes have been made to improve them, but for the most part, they are (with a few exceptions) essentially the same thing with tweaked powers The community will also be endlessly discussing the new book in exhaustive detail, either on forums, podcasts, or blogs I have no problem with the inclusion of Wave 3 models, but I think you should be clearer about what you are choosing to incentivize. The championship should determine the best Malifaux player (and it is perfectly legitimate to include Wave 3), yet the factors you list above are peripheral to actually playing Malifaux and, worse, they do not effect players evenly. You are penalizing people who do not have friends who went to GenCon, which disproportionately and adversely effects players with smaller play groups or for whom travel to GenCon might prove difficult, either through geography or cost. The location of the NOVA Open is already an obstacle for those of us on the west coast. You are also penalizing people who have no interest in beta testing and who do not want to spend time reading forums, podcasts, or blogs. I do not think that internet media consumption habits, geography, or how many friends you have who happened to go to GenCon should be factors in a tournament. Again, I take no issue with the inclusion of Wave 3 rules; they will be released and legal. I do think that the rationale you provided is problematic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanYaDigIT Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 This should be a really fun event Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 The fact of the matter is that the rules for Shifting Loyalties models will be legal and released by the time NOVA Open rolls around. This would still be true if there had been no open beta, and the rules were released the day before NOVA. It's an official tournament, which uses official rules. Which means that officially released rules are legal. That's pretty much all there is to it. While it's true that the timing may be a bit awkward and give certain individuals more time to practice with these rules, it's also true that people gain advantages in many other ways; players from larger communities face more diverse opponents and have an advantage, players who have less intensive jobs have more time to play, players with more money can buy a larger range of models with which they have experience, etc, etc etc. We can't account for everything. Even if Shifting Loyalties was out for six months before the event, maybe certain players belonged to gaming groups at stores which had shipping errors and hadn't received the book yet. I would consider adapting to new models and thinking on your feet just as important to determining a champion as who has had the most time to practice all year. At the end of the day my litmus test for this is: Is the material officially released in stores at the time of the event? If yes, it's legal. The organizers did ask me if I thought including it would work out, so of course I said yes, as I both believe that release is the only real place to draw the line, and I want to see the rules used. On the other hand, if they had told me they didn't want to include Shifting Loyalties, I would have said that's fine too, you are putting the effort into running the event and I understand the reasoning. So we'll see how it goes. If it causes issues, we know for next year. I have full faith in the team running this event to make it as fair, fun, and challenging as possible. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishSausage Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 1. Yes. Yes. Also, yes. 5. As per the GG rules, if the model is over 2/3 Wyrd, and clearly can represent the model is meant to represent, then it can be used. If the player has no cards available, but has a clear photocopy or printout of the correct rules, a printout can be used. 6. Yes, as we are allowing Wave 3 models, as Shifting Loyalties will have been released for a month plus at that point. So, yes, valid proxies (see the Wyrd conversion guide) can be use if they are 66% Wyrd Model. 7. The Hyatt Regency @ Regan National: https://aws.passkey.com/g/40463125?utm_campaign=2014%20NOVA%20Open%20Wrap-Up%20and%20Results Get to converting if you want to run tengu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanYaDigIT Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 I have mixed feelings about the wave 3...having the book out and widely available for a week shouldnt be the standard, but I am excited about the new resser stuff. I guess ill take it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valhallan42nd Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 I understand many of your concerns. This is something many of us have gone through during a new release cycle for other games. The meta shifts, and can sometimes shift rapidly when a new release occurs. Believe me, I understand. I have my scars from the 5th edition-7th edition 40k Codex/Edition creep cycle. Rapid adjustment is nothing new when it comes to tournament play. That being said, I have trust in the Wyrd design team, and having read the rules and participated in the beta, I don't think this is as drastic a shift as it may seem. I have more to say on this, but I have to get to work. I'll post more this later, but I hear your concerns. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valhallan42nd Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Hello, all. I hope the following link will answer your questions regarding Wave 3 and conversions/proxies, and how they'll be handled at the Nova Open: Wave 3 FAQ And again, if you have questions about if a conversion you built to represent a model passes muster with our TOs, email pics of them to MalifauxMatt@gmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVBrandt Posted August 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 There are only 2 spots left in the Championships, folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruan Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Quick question on the story events, just want to clarify if we need to print out lists ahead of time and if there was a limit on how many lists we could print? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVBrandt Posted August 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 You'll all get nice tearaway score pads that include crew builder sheets with every scorecard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVBrandt Posted August 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Also, the championships are now sold out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruan Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Ok awesome and good to know. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valhallan42nd Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 The list building thing was a copy and paste from other games which don't allow for list building the way we do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy in Suit Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Is there a waitlist? Can you guys build some more table so my lazy friends who didn't sign up yet can come? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVBrandt Posted August 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 You should bring them. Sign them up for the other events. Sneakin to replace no shows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVBrandt Posted August 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 By which I do mean you still have to pay. Just that no shows typically do happen, but you'll want to join the already growing wait list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valhallan42nd Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 For those wanting the email address to send conversion approval pics:Malifauxmatt@gmail.comMalifauxmatt@gmail.comMalifauxmatt@gmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valhallan42nd Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Midnight of the 6th day until Nova Open.Are your models painted?Are your display boards done for the story encounter's paint comp?Have you read the primer?Have you sent me pictures of your conversions?Questions and conversion pics to :Malifauxmatt@gmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Lo Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 MostlyNot even startedYesYes Get to it, people!!! (I had that, "oh holy hell, it's next week!" feeling hit me last night.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valhallan42nd Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 It's getting us as well, believe me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVBrandt Posted August 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 We were able to open up 2 extra slots. We alerted those on the wait list, and now those spots are fair game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rover1013 Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 With badge pickup/registration opening at 9am and the story event set to start at 9:30am, will there be any kind of prioritizing folks who need to rush off to an event (as there was last year)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVBrandt Posted August 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 With badge pickup/registration opening at 9am and the story event set to start at 9:30am, will there be any kind of prioritizing folks who need to rush off to an event (as there was last year)?Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valhallan42nd Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Just 2 more full days!!!Soon(tm)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanYaDigIT Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Will we get emails back for proxies confirmation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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