E.T.A. Hoffman Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Hey yall, So I played against the pigg tosser for the first time. Turn 1: Dead Rogue Necromancy Turn 2: Dead Rogue Necromancy Turn 3: Dead Mortimer Turn 4: Dead Tara (Ok, Tara died from a RJ attack ) Anywho, I'm miffed at the power of this thing. Sometimes... just sometimes... I feel like, "where was the beta test" for some of the Gremlin stuff! Oh well, I'm not here to attack the Gremlins, I need many more games before I really start freaking out. My post is about combating this Beast! What suggestions do you all have for defending and fighting against Gremlin pigapult? Go ahead and be master or model specific as you like. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csonti Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 It seems to be devastating and demoralizing during the first encounter but actually the Pult got a big cuddle at the end of Wave2. The Stuffed Piglet's Stuffed With Explosives ability seriously hamper the effectiveness of high range bombing. Few things that work against the Pigapult - High Df (remember, it will be only an Sh5 Attack for the Pult) - Any ability that gives [-] on Attacks in general (Zoraida) or Sh (Bette Noire's Aura) or have a fantastic save against Sh Attacks (Tara) - Crews with a high headcount (the Pult's biggest threat is eliminating a strong model during a single activation) - Armor - Engage it (with high speed model(s) or ones that can be placed anywhere on the board (Malifaux Raptor)) - Rushing tactic (if your crew is built for fast melee contact, the Pult can't do that much) - Attacking the Stuffed Piglets (that will deny the ammo from the Pigapult) Btw with Tara usually you can quite safely bury/unbury and unleash an RN on the Pigapult in turn 1. And remember, this is an 8 SS model that eats a 2 SS model per turn. So it is not that horribly bad if it could do something useful before you can silence it. Hope that helped a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.T.A. Hoffman Posted April 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Right with Tara that is what I planned. However, the pigpult is sh6, just an FYI. It's a really nutty model. You have to engage as soon as possibly but by then it shoudl have already wiped out at least one or two high stone models. At least most gremlins are easy to kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malal Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 It's on Sh5 when firing stuffed pigs due to their Stuffed With Explosives trait and also can't cheat damage so 3x shots at Sh5, min dmg 3 or 3x shhots at Sh6, min dmg 2. It's also 8SS + the cost of it's ammo so that means even less gremlins between you and it. Tbh, it sounds like it got lucky (unless he was using Merris or the Loveley Assistant?), 1st 2 turns, passed 2 terror tests and hit for a total of 20+ damage against impossible to wound. Advice for the future, (other than don't displease the fate decks anymore!) Night Terrors could engage it pretty quick and have incorporeal and H2K to protect them, I've also had McMourning turn my 'pult to kindling in turn 2 before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.T.A. Hoffman Posted April 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 not sure where you guys are pulling your stats. I'm looking at the card here for pigapult. sh 6 min 2 unless you shoot a stuffed pig and then it goes to 3 min. No where does it say sh5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malal Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 On the Stuffed Piglet card...Stuffed With Explosives: When this model is killed or sacrificed, all models within 3" gain the following Condition until the end of the Turn: "Concussion: This model suffers -1 Sh and may not cheat damage flips caused by its Sh Actions." and the 'pult has to sacrifice a piglet within 3" if it wants to fire Bacon Barrage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darguth Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 On the Stuffed Piglet card...Stuffed With Explosives: When this model is killed or sacrificed, all models within 3" gain the following Condition until the end of the Turn: "Concussion: This model suffers -1 Sh and may not cheat damage flips caused by its Sh Actions." and the 'pult has to sacrifice a piglet within 3" if it wants to fire Bacon Barrage This. The Pult, due to the Concussion condition, essentially has 3 potential damage profiles (all ignore LoS and cover) depending on the ammo it uses: - Rocks: Sh 4, Rg 12, 2/3/5 - Piglet: Sh 6, Rg 24, 2/4/6 - Stuffed Piglet: Sh 5, Rg 24, 3/5B/7B Given the 8ss initial investment, general immobility to accomplish anything except shoot, and the cost of sac'd ammo it's not too bad. I feel like to accomplish what you state either there was some EXTREME luck involved or something was misplayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scirian Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 My play group was demoralized because they didn't want to build a crew around taking it down. I'm happy to share my thoughts on it at last: Anti Pigapult is Kirai. Anything takes damage she drops a card and Ikiryo is in the pult's face. Zoraida with From the Shadows on Bad Juju means a turn one immortal monster who shuts down the pult Anything with from the shadows or can bypass armor is great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgrilusHunter Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 I have yet to play against the Pult, or any gremlins for that matter. However, I generally take at least one or two Necropunks with my Leveticus crew and my plan, should I face a gremlins player, is to include Killjoy or Bette in my crew as well. A single Necropunk can leap, walk twice, Burnout, leap, and walk twice. That will place a Necropunk up to 34" from the edge of your deployment zone turn 1. Your next task is to kill said Necropunk any way possible, releasing Killjoy or Bette right in the Pult's face. This is just a plan though and I'm sure all the gremlins players out there are chuckling right now for some reason I haven't foreseen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 I would second Kirai, I have faced Kirai now for a couple of times and Ikiryo is amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malal Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Well I can see a way around Kirai , not using the 'pult to do the damage. The necropunk (or any fast Killjoy delivery method) I suppose I'd either try and tie up, kill in a position more favourable to me or wait 'til Killjoy is released and push him back towards the enemy's lines. That said, as has been mentioned, the 'pult and all the support pieces don't come cheap, they SHOULD be good for what you pay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 In support of what others have said, the best bet against the Pigapult is models with From the Shadows deployment that can start pressuring it first activation. The best methods of pressuring it is to either remove the source of Fuel (especially Lenny if he has his upgrade) or engage it in melee (where it can't perform SH actions). Limiting it to just the rocks reduces it's effectiveness and keeping it from firing at all is an even better option (though you will have to worry about its entourage clearing the jam for it). Other things like high defense can play a role but there are easy ways around it for the gremlins. Using regular Piglets for ammo (higher accuracy) and Som'er backing it up with Encouragement and a shaped control hand can make it very easy to get around high defense. Zoraida can do something similar via Papa Loco. Both of these make it much easier to produce cheatable damage flips. Armor is a good defense however needs to be backed up with high wounds also. Hope that helps a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypoking Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 Third Kirai. Ikiyro drops on top of it first chance she gets, shutting the thing down. To add insult to injury she's perfectly capable of one shoting the thing as she gets around the one thing that keeps it alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uktena Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 I ask to see the model and then I accidentally drop it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scirian Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 I ask to see the model and then I accidentally drop it. In my meta that means it gets auto sacrificed. I just switched from the alt Bete Noire sculpt for that reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uktena Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 In my meta that means it gets auto sacrificed. I just switched from the alt Bete Noire sculpt for that reason. That's hardcore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 I ask to see the model and then I accidentally drop it. Golden advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiche Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 Hypothetical: 1. If the Pigapult is Glowy, does the bacon taste better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malal Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 Hypothetical: 1. If the Pigapult is Glowy, does the bacon taste better? Justin stopped us from having a Glowy Pigapult because he hates bacon...damn Taco lover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiche Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 Justin stopped us from having a Glowy Pigapult because he hates bacon...damn Taco lover Maybe we're being saved the disappointment of microwaved bacon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scirian Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 Hypothetical: 1. If the Pigapult is Glowy, does the bacon taste better? Trust the Glow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 They were worried about giving the Pigapult "the Glow" because of the potential for abuse like these; http://www.youtube.com/embed/65f2sO6WmdQ and http://www.youtube.com/embed/PWVhiIisH30 As you can see once the Pigapult got "the Glow" there would be absolutely no stopping the Gremlin's from clearing all the upstart humans out of Malifaux. Hell we might not even stop at the Breach. So be glad that your little Armor, Hard to Kill and Incorporeal are still obstacles in our eventual conquest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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