Tyrion1337 Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Hey all, I tried a Nicodem poison list yesterday with Shadow Embrace and Their Last Breath. Nicodem - 7SS -Shadow Embrace, Their Last Breath, Love Thy Master Sebastian - MLH, Corpse Bloat Rafkin -MLH Graveyard Spirit, Nurse, Canine Remains, Bone Pile, Dead Doxy I wanted to share my experience on the new upgrade. Went up against Guild McCabe. Basically I poisoned my own stuff with a Nurse to benefit from the small heal within Nico´s Aura. As Beatstick I took Rafkin due to all the poison the Crew can spread (Afterwards some Poison on range would have been really helpful..). Sebastian ripped Spleens like no tomorrow to fuel Nico with Corpses. My last Breath on Rafkin was bonkers. He took Dept-Francisco to the face despite MLH and turned undead. Slaughtered Mounted Guard and Frank in return. Rafkins damage Output becomes enormous when you can benefit from all of Nico lovely buffs ( and fast). MLH also lets you hit with his (O) twice. Coupled with Nicos healing and the small poison healing from Shadow Embrace it was easy to Keep him around for the rest of the game despite the growing damage from Their Last Breath. While I also tried the Circling Buzzards Upgrade a few days ago I am way more excited by TLB. It opens up some nice new Options. Getting a second life and the possibility to benefit from undead buffs is just great. My poison Crew wasn´t as effective as I thought (Rafkins basically poisoned everything himself. I should try Autopsies or Little Gassers next time) but the main thing I wanted to try (Undaed Rafkin) was stellar. Has anyone tried something similar, maybe with another TLB model (Asura, Anna, Sebastian)? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JisaacT Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 I havent gotten to try out TLB yet but your post gets me excited to get it on the table. Thanks for the write up. I want to try and take an all living crew to take the most advantage of it and give it a shot. It seems like a lot of fun. I will keep rafkin in mind. Now the question is how will TLB interact with the shield bearers? Since they "die" as a living unit but then come back as spirits. This seems confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Little Gassers are what you are looking for. They can just walk up and give poison to enemy models so that Rafkin (or shikome, canines) can charge for 1AP and do their thing. Their Last Breath is a great little upgrade. Not a ton of living models we can use it with, but Rafkin is one of the best I believe. I could maybe see Hayreddin being more useful as you can keep him alive longer, but of course he wouldn't benefit from Nicodem's buffs as you don't want him that close. AnnaLovelace might be a good option too, but I find she tends to be a shooter for me more than a melee beater. 6 minutes ago, JisaacT said: I havent gotten to try out TLB yet but your post gets me excited to get it on the table. Thanks for the write up. I want to try and take an all living crew to take the most advantage of it and give it a shot. It seems like a lot of fun. I will keep rafkin in mind. Now the question is how will TLB interact with the shield bearers? Since they "die" as a living unit but then come back as spirits. This seems confusing. I don't believe it works well with Shieldbearers. I think the sequence messes things up, that and their measly 4 wds. Nurses though..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JisaacT Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Very True. Not worth it to try and figure out on them with 4 wnds. I just didnt know if they could come back like 3 times. I dont have my cards in front of me to look up the exact wording of TLB though. As far as the Shield Bearer goes, as long as it doesnt have a soulbound upgrade, it will come back. It does not say anything about removing conditions when it comes back though so it would still have the damage decay thing per turn from TLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 I don't have my card either, but I think the ShieldBearer's ability states that they don't actually die, so I don't think TLB will even kick in on their first death. At their second death they are no longer Living either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomelessOne Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Chosen states that "If this model would be killed and it does not have a Soulbound Upgrade attached, it is not killed." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojopin Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Must it be a resser living model? Can be mercenary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion1337 Posted September 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 2 hours ago, JisaacT said: I havent gotten to try out TLB yet but your post gets me excited to get it on the table. Thanks for the write up. I want to try and take an all living crew to take the most advantage of it and give it a shot. It seems like a lot of fun. I will keep rafkin in mind. Now the question is how will TLB interact with the shield bearers? Since they "die" as a living unit but then come back as spirits. This seems confusing. Unfortunately I don´t think that TLB will work more than once. If a living model dies you have to attach the upgrade to it. So Nico does not have it anymore. That´s why you should keep your Nurse from dying first 11 minutes ago, mojopin said: Well, maybe not a lot of living resser models but think about all those mercenaries, yummie! Aaand sorry to stop you, too.. TLB only goes to friendly living Resser models. Have just read the Card again. Seems Rafkin stays as one of the best Choices. Still want to try Sebastian, loaded with Poison and going to harvest everyone. At least TLB does not remove conditions. Edit: Don´t have the Hayreddin Card but he always interested me. I guess he will make it into the next Shopping cart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojopin Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Just now, Tyrion1337 said: Unfortunately I don´t think that TLB will work more than once. If a living model dies you have to attach the upgrade to it. So Nico does not have it anymore. That´s why you should keep your Nurse from dying first Aaand sorry to stop you, too.. TLB only goes to friendly living Resser models. Have just read the Card again. Seems Rafkin stays as one of the best Choices. Still want to try Sebastian, loaded with Poison and going to harvest everyone. At least TLB does not remove conditions. Xd thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomoredroids Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 I did a Poison Nico list recently. Nico + Undertaker, TLB, Shadow Embrace Vulture Rafkin Shikome Kentauroi 2x Canine Remains 2x Guild Autopsies Kentauroi was essential for setting up. On Turn 1 he carries Nico twice with 2 walks, who, lacking Corpses on Turn 1, will end up casting Rigor Mortis on Kentauroi and whatever else happens to be close. Rafkin moves up to the Kentauroi's position. On turn 2, the Fast Kentauroi Walks once, putting Rafkin into a favorable position, then charges. Gives Poison for the second attack's damage bump, and drops a Corpse for Nico. Guild Autopsies choose their target for poison, something big, then canine remains soften it up (in my game one even dropped a scheme before charging). Then Shikome comes from the back field and levels it. If the big thing's already activated, then it is likely the canines are putting it at -2 Df. Shikome, if the poisoned target is an Adversary and within 6" of Rafkin (that's the goal, yo), is doing a minimum of 4 with a baked-in trigger to ignore armor, striking from up to 14" away, and doing it all on while the target's at -2 Df. Ouch. You should be spending Nico's summons on Shikome or Kentauroi. If you can get your Decay off it's dealing an extra damage and thus killing things for the trigger to summon more easily. The more Kentauroi you summon, the more corpses you have, the more chances you have for healing your busted models, and the more damage you can do with Decay. The key to this list is being flexible with Nico and remembering he can do more than summon things. In the future (I don't proxy), I'm going to replace Shadow Embrace + Vulture with a Little Gasser, and tossing the Guild Autopsies for the gassers, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemouse Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 If you want to poison at a distance Crooked Men are pretty good at it and they can surprise people with a nasty paralyze in melee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizuriel Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Wouldn't Mortimer be decent in these lists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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