mattbird Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Has anyone tried running Johan w/ Ramos and a ton of M&SU models? At 7 SS looks like it could be effective. And, in case I missed it, is there any trick for giving Ramos an extra tome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker_cky Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Johan is designed for Ramos. Great support piece that can heal a pile of spiders (and pretty much everything else Ramos would want to take) at once. And, in case I missed it, is there any trick for giving Ramos an extra tome? Burn a soulstone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattbird Posted September 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Burn a soulstone. I meant aside from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenton Crack Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 I meant aside from that. Nope, for the three spiders you have use the "free" tome, burn a stone, and have a high tome in your hand, as there is no consolation prize of getting two if you miss the TN for three, so hoping to flip the high tome is essentially out of the question unless you have some Rain Man action going on where you know you'll top deck it. ---------- Post added at 12:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:23 PM ---------- Of course, the red joker lets you declare it's suit, so that in hand works too. ---------- Post added at 12:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:24 PM ---------- Additionally, aside from healing, dont forget about Johan's Rebel Yell condition wiper that is good against Sonnia, Levi, Mei, MMourningor any of those condition dishing masters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattbird Posted September 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 am I correct that you can burn 2 stones to get +2 tomes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenton Crack Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Nope, just one , "A model may also spend one Soulstone to choose a suit and add the chosen suit to its final duel total." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttsgosadow Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 No, you can't. One stone max for a suit, one stone max for a +flip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsteelrose Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 One of my regular opponents takes Johan with Ramos almost every time, I usually kill him before he can do anything useful, he's just so much more squishy than other models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenton Crack Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 One of my regular opponents takes Johan with Ramos almost every time, I usually kill him before he can do anything useful, he's just so much more squishy than other models. I don't know, with 8 wounds, Df 5, and Hard to Kill, he's not a tank, but respectable for 6-7 stones. I think people need to decide whether they want him running as a medic or a pipe swinger though. With Solidarity and Flurry it can be tempting to run him in attack mode, but if you brought him as a healer and condition wiper, he shouldn't be a frontline attacker all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattbird Posted September 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 I plan on running him in the backfield, should survive long enough to be annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker_cky Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Yeah, I think he's best as a support model that's surprisingly threatening if he gets locked into combat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 I've been considering running him just as an Outcast in Tara's crew. For 6ss he's not too shabby, even without the M&SU support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhanutz Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 I use him all of the time with Ramos. I give him the upgrade that you discard for fast (I forget the name) and I hang him back as a body guard for Ramos. The fast allows you to once per game move and heal (this has been a clutch move in a number of my games) or fast move into combat to flurry. His healing is fantastic in a Ramos crew since 1-2 wounds from an average healing flip goes a long way with all of the Armor in a Ramos list. Rebel yell is icing on the cake. Remember that it can be used offensively to remove conditions that are beneficial to enemy models. I really recommend giving him a shot; the last beta SS decrease for Johan made a huge difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisgossett Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 I have been thinking about running him, but I'm just not sure how to fit him into the crew most the time, could you give an example of the list you are running him with. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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