Mazin1 Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Hey all. Quick question. When flipping cards during Dead man Hand, if I flip a 1:masks doesn't this count as a 1 or a 14? I assume 14 since Jacob counts them at a red joker but wasn't sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 marshimartian Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I believe so, unless of course you're casting it through Magical Extension, because to Hippo, it's still an Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 notmikehill Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I think my best judgement would be that he'd draw the ace. However if another model used the spell like a doppelganger or the Hungering Darkness. They'd discard it, since the ace is just considered an ace to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Alfndrate Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I'm glad I came across this thread lol, because when playing with Jakob this weekend it popped into my head that the wording on Ace in the Hole meant that when it was flipped for a duel, so if I flipped the 1:masks I would cry a little as I discarded it. But if I remember correctly, Dead Man's Hand uses the wording "flipped", which would work with the wording of Ace in the Hole that says the 1:masks is the Red Joker when it is flipped or used to cheat fate with. wording between the two abilities matches up, so in my mind (after viewing this thread), I would say it counts as the Red Joker, which would mean your opponent gets to draw a card, and you get a second joker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Iamwyrd Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) I believe so, unless of course you're casting it through Magical Extension, because to Hippo, it's still an Ace Unfortunately you can't use dead mans hand with magical extension. When I first played him I did that and getting that three times a turn seemed too much. Then I proceeded to read the rest of dead mans hand and it was the last sentence. As for the ace of mask, he is technically flipping it to see it so I would assume it counts as the red joker so he would keep it. Also a quick silly thing, I used his scheme where if you don't start with the HD you need a straight for it. Well I had a 4,5,6,7, straight going and when I flipped for dead mans hand the first time, two eights popped up and I was a sad panda. I've always wondered why you discard aces and eights? Edited September 10, 2012 by Iamwyrd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ratty Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) Unfortunately you can't use dead mans hand with magical extension. When I first played him I did that and getting that three times a turn seemed too much. Then I proceeded to read the rest of dead mans hand and it was the last sentence. fixed that for you ---------- Post added at 03:32 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:29 PM ---------- Also a quick silly thing, I used his scheme where if you don't start with the HD you need a straight for it. Well I had a 4,5,6,7, straight going and when I flipped for dead mans hand the first time, two eights popped up and I was a sad panda. I've always wondered why you discard aces and eights? Wild Bill Hickok was shot dead, during a poker game, while he was holding 2 Aces and 2 Eights, which is where the name Dead Man's Hand comes from. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_man%27s_hand Edited September 10, 2012 by Ratty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MudgeBlack Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I had always thought he was holding a full house of aces over eights..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 nilus Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I had always thought he was holding a full house of aces over eights..... Nope, no one knows what the 5th card is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Dracomax Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Nope, no one knows what the 5th card is. Isn't it obvious? he flipped the black Joker on his defense. (100+ years is long enough to make a joke about, right?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Iamwyrd Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Oops thanks ratty for the fix. My phone doesn't like it when I don't add the apostrophes so it must have reverted it back to can. And thanks for the dead mans hand explanation as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 dgraz Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Isn't it obvious? he flipped the black Joker on his defense. (100+ years is long enough to make a joke about, right?) Definitely....especially a clever Malifaux related joke like that. Nice one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Swan Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Seems about right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MudgeBlack Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Nope, no one knows what the 5th card is. Well that just screwed up my basing of Mr. Graves. http://www.wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?32758-Mudge-s-Malifaux-collection/page3 I have him standing on 3 aces and the plan is for Tannen to be standing on 2 eights (when he gets here). Oh well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DeusInnomen Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Nice find, Swan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Iamwyrd Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Well that just screwed up my basing of Mr. Graves. http://www.wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?32758-Mudge-s-Malifaux-collection/page3 I have him standing on 3 aces and the plan is for Tannen to be standing on 2 eights (when he gets here). Oh well.... Hey no one knows what the fifth card was. So maybe it was a third ace. You should be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Rameses Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Ok I'll step in. In Casino business legends and lore the 5th card is a Queen of Hearts. Here's what I found on the history of the Dead Mans Hand. The expression "dead man's hand" appears to have had some currency in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, although no one connected it to Hickok until the appearance of Wilstach's book. Members of the American Dialect Society have collected numerous cites from newspapers and books, the earliest from 1886: 1886 — Dead Man's Hand = three jacks and a pair of tens (Grand Forks [Dakota Territory] Daily Herald, July 1) 1898 — jacks and eights (Eau Claire [Wisconsin] Leader, November 3) 1900 — tens and treys (Trenton [New Jersey] Times, May 22) 1900 — aces and eights are called "the gambler's hand" (Waterloo [iowa] Daily Courier, April 25) 1900 — dead man's hand = aces and eights (Cedar Falls [iowa] Gazette, May 1) 1903 — "Jacks and sevens are called 'the dead man's hand.' In a poker game, it is very unlucky to hold them and win the pot" (Encyclopaedia of Superstitions, Folklore, and the Occult Sciences, volume 2, Cora Linn Morrison Daniels et al, editors) 1907 — "Dead man's hand. Jacks and eights, at poker" (Hoyle's Games) 1922 — "'Yes," he said slowly, 'aces and eights. That was queer, wasn't it? The dead man's hand'" (The Boy Grew Older by Heywood Broun) 1924 — "He picked up his cards, two black aces, two eights of the same color, and a red queen. The dead man's hand, in the game's parlance" (Everybody's Magazine, volume 50). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 edonil Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Interesting bit of lore there, Rameses. Thanks for sharing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Mazin1 Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Sweet. Thanks. Got an answer and a history lesson. No wonder I play this game. *happy* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hey all. Quick question. When flipping cards during Dead man Hand, if I flip a 1:masks doesn't this count as a 1 or a 14? I assume 14 since Jacob counts them at a red joker but wasn't sure.
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