walruspride Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 In a brawl can you have the dreamer and kirai? Since the dreamer is a spirit and kirai can allow all spirits from any faction at no additional cost can they be used together? Seems to me the same relationship as Hoffman and Ramos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fading Memory Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 That is a really good question. I hope so because I want to buy Kirai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fading Memory Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 The crew creator on the Malifaux website has it as a possibility, so I don't see why it should not be possible. But you can only hire spirits and the Neverborn don't have very many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walruspride Posted September 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 You could still add nightmares they would just cost 1 extra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 I don't see any rule that allows the Dreamer to buy outside faction. So the only nightmares you can field are Night terrors and insidious madness. Its doable, you just have to play the dreamer very differently to most dreamer crews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fading Memory Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 You could still add nightmares they would just cost 1 extra. You can't hire other Neverborn models besides Spirits (Daydreams/Insidious Madness) because you have to play the crew under Resurrectionists and Kirai only allows you to hire Spirits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walruspride Posted September 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 Sorry I find this combo a little confusing. So even though the dreamer is a neverborn I can't bring in anything but neverborn spirits? So I'm pretty much playing under kirai's rules. If that's true then how can I hire spirits from resers since dreamer has no special ability? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fading Memory Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 In order to hire The Dreamer, you have to choose Resurs as your faction. Kirai's hiring rules allow her to team up with The Dreamer. Because you are playing Resurs, you have to hire Resur models because The Dreamer does not allow you to hire out of faction like Kirai. Her special hiring rules allow you to pick up Spirits from any faction at no additional cost. In terms of Neverborn, those models are The Dreamer, Daydreams, and Insidious Madness. Does that help clarify things up? Things are made complicated because you have to declare a single faction. For example Colette can hire Hoffman, but Hoffman can't hire Colette in brawls. This way you can't bring both Arcanist and Guild models in the same army. The same thing for Kirai and The Dreamer, can you imagine what would happen if Kirai was allowed to have Stiched Togethers and Alps with her? The hiring rules/restrictions create balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 The way it works is such. One shalt verily choose a faction. One shalt choose thy first Master from said faction. One shalt choose a second Master from thine own faction or a model that the first Master can hire. One chooses thine minions from their faction, though any additional hiring rule thine Masters have dost come into effect. So thine may choosest Resurrectionist, for one minest be-est a filthy cad. Onest may hire Kirai as thine first Master. Thine Second Master may-est be thy Dreamer for he est a Spirit. One may hire minions from the Resurrectionists and any Spirits fromst across ta board to assist in thy foul deeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsmiles Posted September 24, 2011 Report Share Posted September 24, 2011 The way it works is such. One shalt verily choose a faction. One shalt choose thy first Master from said faction. One shalt choose a second Master from thine own faction or a model that the first Master can hire. One chooses thine minions from their faction, though any additional hiring rule thine Masters have dost come into effect. So thine may choosest Resurrectionist, for one minest be-est a filthy cad. Onest may hire Kirai as thine first Master. Thine Second Master may-est be thy Dreamer for he est a Spirit. One may hire minions from the Resurrectionists and any Spirits fromst across ta board to assist in thy foul deeds. ...and five is right out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmdown Posted September 24, 2011 Report Share Posted September 24, 2011 Good job Daydreams are spirits, and the only thing you need to make Dreamer work is Daydreams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted September 24, 2011 Report Share Posted September 24, 2011 True. If in a Brawl you figure the extra Master Costs 10SS I'll take the Dreamer and Chompy for that. That's a rock bottom, Fire Sale Price for what they can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulG Posted September 25, 2011 Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 (edited) Edit: Forgot necrotic machine doesn't work on masters. No making Chompy undead, which shoots a nice hole in this plan. Was thinking about this lately and with my vast, nonexistent experience came up with this 55s Brawl list (I heard that was standard-ish?), using Ratty's crew builder.Ressurectionists Crew - 55 - Brawl Kirai Ankoku -- 10 Pool Lost Love [2ss] The Dreamer 3 Daydreams [6ss] Von Schill [10ss] Necrotic Machine [2ss] Freikorps Librarian [9ss]Night Terror [3ss]Night Terror [3ss]Night Terror [3ss]Nurse [5ss]Seishin [2ss]Seishin [2ss]Seishin [2ss]Seishin [2ss]Seishin [2ss] Von Schill, Chompy, and whatever Kirai summons are your hammers. The Librarian and to a lesser extent Seishin prevent your people (especially Kirai) from dying. The Night Terrors and to a lesser extent Seishin are your objective runners. First turn, out activate your opponent, use a Daydream to summon Chompy. Use Necrotic Machine to give Chompy Undead. Then use Nurse to give Chompy Re-Activate, +4 CB, and +Damage Flips (read: turn him into murder incarnate). Depending on the opponent's crew and how good your drawing is, you may actually want to give him the Can't Die buff instead. Use other daydreams to sling Chompy into the opponent (likely along with Ikiryo and maaaybe a Shikome). Might use Insidious Madness instead of Night Terrors, not sure. ============================================ Edit 2: Thought about the list some more, and came up with this.Ressurectionists Crew - 55 - Brawl Kirai Ankoku -- 9 Pool Lost Love [2ss] The Dreamer 3 Daydreams [6ss] Von Schill [10ss] Grave Spirit [1ss] Dead Rider [10ss]Freikorps Librarian [9ss]Insidious Madness [4ss]Insidious Madness [4ss]Seishin [2ss]Seishin [2ss]Seishin [2ss]Seishin [2ss] Trading out 2 Insidious Madness for 3 Night Terrors as desired. Can also replace Von Schill, Friekorps Librarian, and Dead Rider with Molly, Jack Daw, The Hanged, and a Desperate Mercenary depending on your opponent and the Strategy, I guess. Edited September 25, 2011 by SoulG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knoerzer Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Wow that looks like a fun squad to play! Walruspride I think you will be able to kick my butt with this now haha. I don't know if Sonnia will be able to fight off all this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walruspride Posted October 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Thanks for the ideas I was along the lines of similar crew but I didn't think of Von Schill. A fun crew idea this is with multiple strategys. Awesome guys. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 The Dreamer + Kirai is just asking for Insidious Madnesses to be brought along. Especially since they effectively become mini-Jack Daws for the two Hammer minions Kirai can summon, and the fact that even outside Kirai and the Dreamer's crew movement Shenanigans they are one of the fastest minions in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walruspride Posted October 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Insidious madness has rare 1 though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Incorrect, they are rare 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alviaran Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Hm. I do like the idea of playing the two together. I have Chompy on the way and Kirai is my only currently painted crew (and I have the Insidious Madness on the painting table right now, along with the last items I want to fill out my Kirai crew). Hm.... Taking Chompy to just be a beatstick and maybe transport the Madness silly long distances could be fun. It's certainly a different way of looking at the two as a combo. I know some people dislike the idea of Gaki spam for aKirai, but fielding these two together might give me a reason to get some Night Terrors to do a spam with aKirai. Random side question about Night Terrors: Do they come with those bases? I imagine not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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