Is Reactivate a Talent? - Hoffman

[TalonRaven]

I'm checking on the legality of this, because I think it's a pretty darn powerful combo...

C.Hoffman has a spell called (2) Overwrite Edict...

Activate target Construct after this model's activation ends. If the target Construct has activated previously this turn, it gains Reactivate. This model's Controller controls the target during this activation After this activation, the target cannot activate again this turn

... and an action called (0) Assimilate

This model gains one Talent or Spell possessed by target Construct within 6". Effects that reference a model by name cannot by assimilated

Now, consider the scenario where Hoffman casts Overwrite Edict on a Peacekeeper, who has already activated during that turn thus gaining the ability Reactivate.

According to Rules Manual, pg 34, Action Modifiers, Reactivate is one of the four Abilities that is collectively known as Action Modifiers. On pg 12, Abilities are defined as a Talent. Therefore, Reactivate is a Talent, and Hoffman can use (0) Assimilate to gain Reactivate, allowing him to go again during that turn. Well, not immediately after, but the point is that he gets to go again.

I searched on the forums, but this thread was inconclusive on the Hoffman Assimilating Reactivate, and I felt that the main issue relies on two things:

1) Is Reactivate a Talent?

2) If a Construct "gains" a Talent, does it count as "possessing" it for purposes of Assimilate?

[Marcalla]

Does this change to "assimilate" also cover Lazarus?

[PatLanicus]

I assume a Doppelganger cannot copy a non printed talent as well, right?

[Buhallin]

Woo! <does a happy dance>

[KeaponLaffin]

Eek. No more protect chains then, eh?

[Cadilon]

Eek. No more protect chains then, eh?

I don't see how that follows from this ruling. Hoffman can still assimilate Protect. Am I missing something?

[KeaponLaffin]

Aah. My bad. that's right.

Guardian Protects Hoff

Hoff assimilates Protect from Guardian

Hoff Protect on mobile toolkit

Mobile Toolkit casts Hoff's Protect on Peacekeeper

(for instance).. doesn't violate the new rule at all. Sweet.

[E.T.A. Hoffman]

if that's the case then the only way to nab reactivate would be from Joss. It's printed on his card, he just needs to have access to it. If you pump him up, then he gains it, you can use hoffman to steal it from him I think. That'd be sweet.

[Soundwave]

Might be food for another topic but as it's related... Can the mobile toolkit cast protect when it's not printed?

[PierceSternum]

Might be food for another topic but as it's related... Can the mobile toolkit cast protect when it's not printed?

Most Molly players I know regularly have Necrotic Machine cast the Acid Spit thing that Molly takes from Rogue Necromancy, so I would think so...

[Soundwave]

Most Molly players I know regularly have Necrotic Machine cast the Acid Spit thing that Molly takes from Rogue Necromancy, so I would think so...

A fair point...

Hold on, there's Molly players!?