Regelridderen Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 Recently got the nightmare Zoraida crew, so I suddenly have to think about our little glowy things. And with the recent changes to Distracted, I see them as little bundles of terror at 4 stones - as long as you don’t run into a shooty crew. So I was wondering if people had some experience running them with our Mistress of Misery; Pandora? As an alternative to Sorrows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Regelridderen said: Recently got the nightmare Zoraida crew, so I suddenly have to think about our little glowy things. And with the recent changes to Distracted, I see them as little bundles of terror at 4 stones - as long as you don’t run into a shooty crew. So I was wondering if people had some experience running them with our Mistress of Misery; Pandora? As an alternative to Sorrows? I know some people really rate Adze in Pandora's crew, which is a bit more tax-efficient. But wisps would be worth a go! They're great in a Marcus crew. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEV Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 I really don't see the point... They're so squeeshy. Adze is nice, but I don't see why I would want to play a Wisp over a Sorrow. I never tried them though (because who need to experiment something when you can convince yourself that doesn't worth your time 😜)... Please report your findings! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regelridderen Posted November 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 I doubt, they’re as squishy as they appear - except against shooting. When you charge them, you get Distracted, so they’re unlikely to be hit. They’ve got a 2” reach, so if it charges opponents need to deal with closing the gap itself, aside from Stunned, Distracted and Slow. - Then again Sorrows are great minions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 22 minutes ago, Regelridderen said: I doubt, they’re as squishy as they appear - except against shooting. When you charge them, you get Distracted, so they’re unlikely to be hit. They’ve got a 2” reach, so if it charges opponents need to deal with closing the gap itself, aside from Stunned, Distracted and Slow. - Then again Sorrows are great minions Yeah, they make excellent lockdown pieces, and with Pandora... Wisp engages someone at 2 inches. They move to 1 inch to punch the wisp They gain distracted Pandora misery pushes them back to 2 inches 😂😂😂😂 I never realised it worked like this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regelridderen Posted November 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, Maniacal_cackle said: Yeah, they make excellent lockdown pieces, and with Pandora... Wisp engages someone at 2 inches. They move to 1 inch to punch the wisp They gain distracted Pandora misery pushes them back to 2 inches 😂😂😂😂 I never realised it worked like this. And the new guy, Dorian’s Misery is triggered by Distracted as well - and the Tyrant-torn can just summon the Sorrows she needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEV Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 Trust me, they are squeeshy. I play plenty of Wisp with Mama Z... Against mostly melee crew, I do agree that the distracted trick is nice with Dora or Dorian around... But a savvy opponent will just focus (out of Dora bubble) charge them... They are 4 wounds def 4 mini... 1 focus hit is enough most of the time. And we're not talking about the fact that most crew won't bother and will just shoot them down 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 31 minutes ago, SEV said: Trust me, they are squeeshy. I play plenty of Wisp with Mama Z... Against mostly melee crew, I do agree that the distracted trick is nice with Dora or Dorian around... But a savvy opponent will just focus (out of Dora bubble) charge them... They are 4 wounds def 4 mini... 1 focus hit is enough most of the time. And we're not talking about the fact that most crew won't bother and will just shoot them down When I use them with marcus, I hide them behind terrain and then hop over it and they're in engagement. Probably not optimal against shooting crews as you say, but I find them a powerful roadblock there. Granted, spending 4 stones on a roadblock is very different from spending 5 stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEV Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, Maniacal_cackle said: When I use them with marcus, I hide them behind terrain and then hop over it and they're in engagement. Probably not optimal against shooting crews as you say, but I find them a powerful roadblock there. Granted, spending 4 stones on a roadblock is very different from spending 5 stones. Those bugger are size 2 (how is it possible, they'r esuppose to be tiny spot of light), so not so easy to hide. I mean they're not worthless, I'm just not sure they achieve anything relevant with Dora... And yes 4 is different from 5, exactly 1ss less to be precise 🤣... Unfortunately they do worth 5ss with Dora. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprixus Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 If you have issues with focused, just take Carver. Pando and Carver can just rip off the focused for +flips on duels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEV Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 26 minutes ago, Sprixus said: If you have issues with focused, just take Carver. Pando and Carver can just rip off the focused for +flips on duels It doesn't work if a) the duel is not with one of those 2 models; 2) it's your oponent action phase (he/she has the priority to use foucus... you can still strip the remaining one but he/she will still have one focus shot). So it's still easy to focus kill a squeeshy minion like wisp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadhouse Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 Pandora is already weak into guns, Wisps are more of that, as its been pointed out Focus means that you dont gain the Distracted, so a model with Focus can charge a Wisp and not get pushed by Misery. I like Wisps in Marcus tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, Roadhouse said: Pandora is already weak into guns, Wisps are more of that, as its been pointed out Focus means that you dont gain the Distracted, so a model with Focus can charge a Wisp and not get pushed by Misery. I like Wisps in Marcus tho. Worth noting that the theory was engaging models, so if they focus and walk into you they've lost an entire activation potentially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEV Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 5 ss for (potentially) a model activation is a bad trade off... but I will try this list just for the sake of it (and because I think it could be fun in something like BTL). Dora + Ghost Mama Z2 Candy Dorian Adze Wisp 6ss I will horribly lost and than it will be settle: wisp are not good with Dora. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 hours ago, SEV said: 5 ss for (potentially) a model activation is a bad trade off... but I will try this list just for the sake of it (and because I think it could be fun in something like BTL). Dora + Ghost Mama Z2 Candy Dorian Adze Wisp 6ss I will horribly lost and than it will be settle: wisp are not good with Dora. xD since Wisps are a support piece, seems weird to do it in a pandora/z list. Why are you doing that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEV Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 Because I need cheap swampfiend to go with Z2. They provide the same kind of support here (but they also synergize with Z ability and the vodoo doll summon). Their 2" + double interact make them ok in BTL too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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