Parasite/Cadmus questions

[Erik1978]

Played Nexus vs Yan Lo today:

1. Say Yin has a parasite and she is within 4" of Archivist silence aura, can Yan Lo still heal her without discarding a card? We voted he could for this game, since me (Cadmus) choosing Yin to be a friendly Cadmus model didn't affect whether Yan Lo thought of her as a friend for his own action?
2. Yan Lo had a parasite (in the BRAIN!! ...laying eggs!) He had 2 wounds remaining, received 4 damage and a parasite for 2 irreducible because he didn't want to discard a card (Nexus attacked him). He had a demise ability to discard a reliquary and heal, which we thought came after both normal and irreducible damage, agree? (Not: receive 4 damage, then die and heal, then parasite damage).
3. Siphon power is 1 irreducible for a friend who has to CHOOSE to take that damage, which means you can't give it to an enemy model with a parasite BUT can you give it to a friend who then uses we are legion to bounce 1 damage to an enemy model with a parasite even though he still has to suffer 1 damage because it's irreducible? We weren't sure about this but reading we are legion, it looks like you can bounce 1 damage on to an enemy even if you still suffer irreducible damage?

[Adran]

Away from rules, so I might get something wrong. 

The upgrade only lets your models treat them as a friendly cadmus so yan lo couldn't.   Edit - The upgrade lets the Arcivist choose to treat it as a friendly Cadmus model, so the Aura will apply to it, forcing the discard to target it. 

The damage is dealt with in the order it happened. So in this case you resolve the 4 damage first, and then you gain the parasite token, and after you gain the parasite token you get the 2 irreducible damage. 

So the damage is at 2 different times meaning that you don't just receive 6 damage. So it is 4 damage, die, demise to live, parasite token, 2 irreducible damage in your example. 

You are right, the model has to choose to take the damage for siphon power, but you can we are legion. It will fail to reduce the damage the initial model takes, but a new model would then take 1 damage as well. 

[santaclaws01]

2 hours ago, Erik1978 said:

Say Yin has a parasite and she is within 4" of Archivist silence aura, can Yan Lo still heal her without discarding a card? We voted he could for this game, since me (Cadmus) choosing Yin to be a friendly Cadmus model didn't affect whether Yan Lo thought of her as a friend for his own action?

Friendly and enemy are always from the perspective of the model the text is written on. In this case, if a model is friendly to the archivist, any enemy model that wants to target it with a non-, non- action needs to discard a card. It doesn't matter what other models treat the target as, only the Archivist.

2 hours ago, Erik1978 said:

Yan Lo had a parasite (in the BRAIN!! ...laying eggs!) He had 2 wounds remaining, received 4 damage and a parasite for 2 irreducible because he didn't want to discard a card (Nexus attacked him). He had a demise ability to discard a reliquary and heal, which we thought came after both normal and irreducible damage, agree? (Not: receive 4 damage, then die and heal, then parasite damage).

You completely resolve each effect before moving on to the next one. In this case, that's the damage from Hive Strike and then the choice to discard a card or gain a parasite token. Demise has already resolved by the time the choice to discard a card or gain the parasite token has arrived.
 

2 hours ago, Erik1978 said:

Siphon power is 1 irreducible for a friend who has to CHOOSE to take that damage, which means you can't give it to an enemy model with a parasite BUT can you give it to a friend who then uses we are legion to bounce 1 damage to an enemy model with a parasite even though he still has to suffer 1 damage because it's irreducible? We weren't sure about this but reading we are legion, it looks like you can bounce 1 damage on to an enemy even if you still suffer irreducible damage?

This is correct. The only condition for having another model suffer damage from We Are Legion is to choose for them to suffer damage.

[Erik1978]

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Friendly and enemy are always from the perspective of the model the text is written on. In this case, if a model is friendly to the archivist, any enemy model that wants to target it with a non-, non- action needs to discard a card. It doesn't matter what other models treat the target as, only the Archivist.

So you're saying the Cadmus player can say "That's my friendly model, you have to discard a card!" when Yan Lo targets with a heal?

Okay, so Yan Lo is "killed" from the initial damage, the demise triggers, and he receives 2 irreducible damage from the parasite token?

 

 

[santaclaws01]

40 minutes ago, Erik1978 said:

So you're saying the Cadmus player can say "That's my friendly model, you have to discard a card!" when Yan Lo targets with a heal?

Yes, because it doesn't matter what Yan Lo treats a model as, only what the Archivist treats a model as.

41 minutes ago, Erik1978 said:

Okay, so Yan Lo is "killed" from the initial damage, the demise triggers, and he receives 2 irreducible damage from the parasite token?

Yes.

[Maniacal_cackle]

For the Yan lo damage/timing question, you can find the specifics of how it works in the damage timing rules of page 34.

[Adran]

13 hours ago, santaclaws01 said:

Friendly and enemy are always from the perspective of the model the text is written on. In this case, if a model is friendly to the archivist, any enemy model that wants to target it with a non-, non- action needs to discard a card. It doesn't matter what other models treat the target as, only the Archivist.

 

You're right. The Archivist gets to count the model as a Friendly Cadmus model when it wants, so it is subject to the Aura (when the Archivist wants it to be, so it can choose to not force the discard, but it would need to say that before the action is announced I think. If It wasn't for Forgotten and fading I'm not sure I could think of a reason you'd ever want to stop your opponent discarding cards). 

(needed to read both abilities together to remember exact wording). 

[Erik1978]

12 hours ago, Maniacal_cackle said:

For the Yan lo damage/timing question, you can find the specifics of how it works in the damage timing rules of page 34.

Yeah we went through that and neither of us were sure, in the end it meant Yan Lo lived through a few extra attacks, dying a horrible poison death, while parasites were eating his brain.