4thstringer Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 So, I've been thinking about Sonnia recently, and I find myself worrying that I will not be able to do any scheming. Has anyone tried building a list without the "go to" pieces so that you can do the scheming instead, and try to use Sonnia and the child as mainly wall makers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 I used to run hounds or watchers for activation which gives you some decent scheme capability. How schemey are w talking here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Ludvig said: I used to run hounds or watchers for activation which gives you some decent scheme capability. How schemey are w talking here? I'm thinking a scheming heavy crew. In my mind, that means lots of models like field reporters, Dade, grimwell, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Dade and hounds fit together really well. Grimwell isn't that schemey for his cost if compared to the likes of two reporters. I think Dade, hounds and reporters would get you any schemes you could want really. After that I think you may need to invest in some beef to tackle the inevitable death stars across the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ludvig said: Dade and hounds fit together really well. Grimwell isn't that schemey for his cost if compared to the likes of two reporters. I think Dade, hounds and reporters would get you any schemes you could want really. After that I think you may need to invest in some beef to tackle the inevitable death stars across the table. Grimwell is kind of a specialist model for me. If I use him and it isn't for a gimmick, it is usually to get across the board for symbols of authority or stake a claim. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 How do you feel all about Dade as a push bot for Sonnia? You would have to (1) have or stone for the suit (or Jury) and (2) remove the slow condition with a stalker. I'm not sure I like it as much as Nurse HB (who gets the chain activate) or investigators other parts not needed), but you don't have to damage her that way, and she would provide some other options too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 I think the damage is not much of a problem if you have the effigy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, Ludvig said: I think the damage is not much of a problem if you have the effigy. I'm not even that worried about the damage as much as I am that I might not get the needed suit with HB. Also, if I'm not using HB, I don't waste an upgrade slot for the chain activation (I know I don't have to, but I just can't resist) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 Queeg can push her decently and his aura could be really helpful if you wanted to drop some markers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 I'm wondering if the errata will help sonnia. The gg for activation control, protection from charges and to blast off of feels useful, and sam and the handler (and by extension stalkers) have gotten buffed, even though it might not be enough. I'm trying this list this afternoon, might trade counterspell aura for disrupt magic Declared Faction: Guild Crew Name: sonna gg spam 50ss Leader: Sonnia - Cache:(3) Cherufes Parting Gift 1ss Counterspell Aura 1ss Reincarnation 1ss Samael Hopkins 8ss Witchling Handler 7ss Papa Loco 7ss Numb To The World 1ss Guild Guard 3ss Guild Guard 3ss Guild Guard 3ss Guild Guard 3ss Guild Guard 3ss Guild Guard 3ss Guild Guard 3ss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 I would drop 3 GG and Counterspell aura for 2 stalkers probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legislat Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 Never Sonia without brutal effigy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 It was super effective against collodi. 7-2, only a arcane effigy was left hiding at the end. I took out all the marionettes turn 1, nekima 2, hooded 3. Only thing I didn't score was dig because I was rarely close enough and honestly wasn't thinking about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antipodean Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Guild Guard the new broken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Antipodean said: Guild Guard the new broken? I'm having a hard time justifying not bringing at least 4 unless punish is in the pool, unless I'm taking it easy on someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Antipodean said: Guild Guard the new broken? I doubt it. I've taken between 3 and 7 of them in three games and they failed to do much in any of them. They are good for cheap marker placers though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 It's really difficult to reliably outactivate the opponent by spamming 3ss models, so I don't think Guild Guard are broken. If you fill a list with just them, you can get to 17 activations, which still isn't going to outactivate all lists, and you will definitely be annihilated unless you are facing something equally stupid. They are useful as warm bodies and for not getting outactivated, but that's mostly it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 32 minutes ago, Myyrä said: It's really difficult to reliably outactivate the opponent by spamming 3ss models, so I don't think Guild Guard are broken. If you fill a list with just them, you can get to 17 activations, which still isn't going to outactivate all lists, and you will definitely be annihilated unless you are facing something equally stupid. They are useful as warm bodies and for not getting outactivated, but that's mostly it. Also I don`t think outactivation really matters if you don`t have anything to use after you do it. The point of Hamelin wasn`t the outactivation alone. It was the Ashes+Deso/Bishop ramming in your face afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, trikk said: Also I don`t think outactivation really matters if you don`t have anything to use after you do it. The point of Hamelin wasn`t the outactivation alone. It was the Ashes+Deso/Bishop ramming in your face afterwards. Yeah, that was the "getting annihilated" part. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 I dint think it is op, but the gg are significantly better than rats at everything else they do. They are rarely taken out in one activation without card support, they can scheme and counterscheme, and when firing en masse tend to hit moderates more often than you would expect. I think if someone wants to buy 16 gg it will become a tourney list with some success. But that alone doesn't make it op. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, 4thstringer said: I dint think it is op, but the gg are significantly better than rats at everything else they do. They are rarely taken out in one activation without card support, they can scheme and counterscheme, and when firing en masse tend to hit moderates more often than you would expect. I think if someone wants to buy 16 gg it will become a tourney list with some success. But that alone doesn't make it op. There`s no sense in comparing rats to GG. Seriously. They have totally different functions. The issue with 16GG is that they don`t bring anything good to strategies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 38 minutes ago, trikk said: There`s no sense in comparing rats to GG. Seriously. They have totally different functions. The issue with 16GG is that they don`t bring anything good to strategies. Ok, don't try it then. It's probably a waste of your time. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, 4thstringer said: Ok, don't try it then. It's probably a waste of your time. :-) If I have access to 12 different GG sculpts I might give it a try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 I think 16 guild guard hits the sweetspot of being totally playable but not breaking the top tournament meta. I am of the opinion that some of the top filth lists with Misaki, Viks and Sonnia would eat those poor guardsmen for breakfast. I think a list lacking in area damage and heavy on close combat attacks might actually have some trouble with it. From casual observation it would seem the two of you have radically different approches to this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 28 minutes ago, Ludvig said: From casual observation it would seem the two of you have radically different approches to this game. No way. I played a tournament this weekend and now I'm super serious about this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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