Wendigo Disengaging Strike

[argailwall]

Hello , so the question is simple, can Wendigo use the 8Ml attack for disengaging strike? enen if the target is not Height 1' or paralyzed?

[solkan]

18 hours ago, Sol_Sorrowsong said:

Based on wording, it isn't the ability to perform the action that requires the Ht1 or paralyzed model, it is the sacrifice effect from the successful completion of the attack action that requires either of those conditions (although ht isn't a condition in game sense).

What version of the action are you looking at?

According to the quoted version, the ability to perform the action DOES require the target to be Ht1 or Paralyzed.  There's no "if" between the two parts of the action, it's two separate sentences (two sentences that admittedly one might expect one to be dependent on the other, but ...)

18 hours ago, Sol_Sorrowsong said:

 

So YES you can attack with it for disengaging strikes (or anytime, but you wouldn't want to).  It WILL need the missing crow for it to succeed.  It WILL NOT sacrifice the model, regardless of Ht or condition being met.  Only will stop the model from moving.

 

Long short, not worth it unless you really need the model to stick around and you have a 5+crow in hand

Agreed that you'd still need to make the target number, and that the attack wouldn't sacrifice when used as a Disengaging strike.  But you'd only be able to use it against Ht1 or Paralyzed models (that are presumably being Obey'd to Walk).

[Ludvig]

Looks like the target must be a model that fulfills those requirements for you to take the action at all.

[Ludvig]

What does the attack say? Can it be taken against anyone and it's just the kill effect that is dependant on them fulfilling the criteria or is it worded so that you need to target something that's ht1/paralyzed?

[argailwall]

The attack is this: Devour (Ml 8 / TN:13 / Rst: Df / Rg 1): Sacrifice target Living model. The target must be Ht 1 or have the Paralyzed Condition

[Myyrä]

1 hour ago, Ludvig said:

Looks like the target must be a model that fulfills those requirements for you to take the action at all.

Seems so. You also need the disengaging strike to be successful, so you would have to get that suit as well. Not a great plan most of the time.

[Philosfr]

To be clear, even if the attack hit (which requires a suit like Myyra said), it's not going to eat the target, even if it was legit.

If the Attack hits, the disengaging model may not perform the Walk Action,

although it must still spend the required AP. A disengaging strike deals no damage,
has no other effect, and may not declare any Triggers.

So it could use it if the target was an eligible target, but it would still only prevent the Walk.

[Sol_Sorrowsong]

Based on wording, it isn't the ability to perform the action that requires the Ht1 or paralyzed model, it is the sacrifice effect from the successful completion of the attack action that requires either of those conditions (although ht isn't a condition in game sense).

 

So YES you can attack with it for disengaging strikes (or anytime, but you wouldn't want to).  It WILL need the missing crow for it to succeed.  It WILL NOT sacrifice the model, regardless of Ht or condition being met.  Only will stop the model from moving.

 

Long short, not worth it unless you really need the model to stick around and you have a 5+crow in hand

[Ludvig]

You can't take actions due to any reason while paralyzed, the FAQ changed that. So it would need to be a living ht 1 model.

[Sol_Sorrowsong]

On 9/20/2017 at 1:52 PM, argailwall said:

The attack is this: Devour (Ml 8 / TN:13 / Rst: Df / Rg 1): Sacrifice target Living model. The target must be Ht 1 or have the Paralyzed Condition

Ok, on further looking, I stand corrected.  Despite my initial thoughts that the second sentence is referring only to the previous sentence as an effect.  It could be equally argued that it relates to the eligibility of the model.  So only Ht 1 models, as Ludvig said, paralyzed models cannot take an action to disengage.

[MrDeathTrout]

 

3 hours ago, solkan said:

What version of the action are you looking at?

There's no need to be rude and condescending.