Rurouni Benshin Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Hi everyone,Wondering who you'd put the "Desolate Soul" upgrade on. I've only played with the upgrade once so far, and it was on Levi, who unfortunately never got the chance to use it during the game. My logic for putting it on him was the fact that he can ignore Hard to Kill and Hard to Wound with his ranged attack, and he's got choices for all suits on triggers with it. I imagine that having Rusty use it would be a good idea as well, so long as I had the right suit to finish the target. Coupled by her ability to Rapid Fire, it would've seemed like a "no brainer" to put it on her, but despite that, I still put it on Levi.Looking for some insight as to how you've used the upgrade, and who you find benefits most from it.Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzer Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Both can take it at the same time. It is not rare #, or limited. I used to take it with Leve, and use from the aether on Alice. Now a days I usually only take from on Alice, and skipp desolate soul. Leve got plenty of other useful triggers too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniello_s Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 At the start I had that upgrade on both: Levi and Alyce but then I used it on Levi only. If you take Pariah of Bone and Rotten Belles then I think sticking Desolate Soul on both models would be quite interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurouni Benshin Posted September 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 I've yet to play him with Pariah of Bone yet, but Rotten Belles would make his crew scary, I'm sure. I just can't say no to the Mechanical Rider, is all. I hadn't realized it wasn't a Rare upgrade. For some reason, since I only had one copy of the card, I imagined only 1 of them could use it. But the Rotten Belle strategy does seem to work nice though...Thanks guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 I always take it on Leveticus and pretty often on Rusty Alyce as well. Her gun is quite powerful and decently accurate, and between the two of them I can usually get an Abomination running about in the middle of my opponent's crew. Even if they kill it outright, that's still denying them a scrap/corpse marker they may have needed and if it's a scrap marker then A&D can push to it as a (0). Because, ya know, A&D needs more mobility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurouni Benshin Posted September 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 I've yet to use Ashes and Dust, but I keep hearing all these amazing things about it. Could some of you share your experiences with the model, and how he works with Levi? I've read his card over and over again, and it certainly fits the theme for Levi. I'm just not seeing how powerful he is, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniello_s Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 You put Scramble on A&D and you have highly mobile, hard-hitting scheme runner/killer which is very hard to be killed himself. That's the shortest description I can make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Daniello definitely gave the short and sweet of it. Ashes & Dust turns Leveticus and his crew up to 11. It allows Leveticus to use his alternate (0) action to either draw cards or reposition without permanently sacrificing a model, A&D gets added mobility from scrap markers generated by dead Abominations or by Rusty Alyce dropping them, Leveticus can freely fire into combat where A&D is and doesn't care if he hits A&D because it just generates more attacks, when A&D splits it is now two models for the sake of scoring VP, it can be worthwhile to leave them split if the Core is safe because the Storm is actually better in melee than the full A&D, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurouni Benshin Posted September 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Wow... I never thought about that... And Scramble would just go back and forth between them, wouldn't it? Holy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniello_s Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Wow... I never thought about that... And Scramble would just go back and forth between them, wouldn't it? Holy....Yep. That's why we love A&D and other factions hate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxypoo Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Desolate Soul works really well on both Leve and/or Rusty, so you really can't make a bad choice there. I always try to ask myself what those two models' main job is during the game when I'm choosing upgrades. Sometimes I use Rusty in more of a support role (Burn Out, summoning, etc.), and I won't bring Desolate Soul then. Otherwise, it's really good on both models.Like Kirby says, A&D turbocharges Leve's crew. A favorite tactic of mine is to walk A&D 10" up the side of the board, have Leve teleport to it using Rebirth, and then have Leve murderize something that deployed right on the edge of my opponent's deployment zone. Then A&D simply reforms at the end of the turn in a nice place to affect the game. It's fast, tough, doesn't ever die if you position it well, provides activation control, and can summon. One thing people often miss is that the Dust Storm and Ashen Core are very useful pieces on their own. The Core can give something like Lazarus or the Mech Rider Fast or drain your opponent's hand with lots of simple duels, while the Storm has a high damage output and is highly resistant to being killed. One thing to keep in mind is that all three pieces are immune to conditions, meaning that Rusty CAN use Burnout on them, but it will only reduce them to 1 Wd with no other effect. I realize that Kirby already said everything that I did, but I really wanted to write the word "murderize"... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 And on the comment about being immune to conditions, that includes but is not limited to Defensive, Focused, Fast, Slow (no summoning Slowness!), and as mentioned Reactivate as well as all the usual suspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzer Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 (edited) If you take Scout the Field on Leve, you can walk an additional 4" with Ashes and Dust. Its pretty neat to have Leve shoot once with needing LoS in order to Snipe out anything with 4 wounds; like most runners have. And if the target is right, getting half wounds of an enemy master isn't that bad either. Edited September 17, 2015 by Patzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rurouni Benshin Posted September 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 lol, I totally read that with his voice in my mind too...Wow, these are all great tactics, guys! Thanks! However, I do have one question... If he's immune to all conditions, what would the benefit be for using Rusty's "Burn Out" on him? Other than needing him to die, so that Ashen Core and Dust Storm appear, is there another benefit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniello_s Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Nope. Bringing him to last remaining wound via 'Burn Out' action only helps him to recycle faster.If he had benefit from Reactivate condition he would be absolutely broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurouni Benshin Posted September 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Yeah, I can see how that'd definitely be ridiculous. So the only thing he can't do when he's summoned is Interact then, with the only exception being on his first activation on the turn after he's summoned.. Essentially, you're getting 2 activations out of him each turn (provided he dies anyway). Wow... *lol*... I feel kind of bad that I know all of this now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxypoo Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 I always make sure to use Leve's Rebirth to sacrifice A&D every turn, unless I really need to summon a Waif or recycle Leve. There's nothing wrong with keeping Leve on the table in M2E as long as he has enough wounds to fuel Channel if you plan to attack with him next turn.And technically, you get 4 activation out of him each turn that he dies: A&D activation 1, Ashen Core, Dust Storm, A&D activation 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 (edited) Ashes and dust is summoned at the end of the turn, so doesn't get a second activation in that turn. So its just the 3. (anything else leads to the potential for infinite Ashes and dust activations, which I belive is seen as bad...) On the plus side becasue it is summoned at the end of turn, it can interact next turn, so you can still interact every turn even if it dies every time Edited September 17, 2015 by Adran 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxypoo Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Ashes and dust is summoned at the end of the turn, so doesn't get a second activation in that turn. So its just the 3You're right. That's what I get for playing the filthy Neverborn for that last couple months... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurouni Benshin Posted September 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 "filthy Neverborn"Here, here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4554551// Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 I've only rarely used levis teleport to construct ability.Every turn after the first is channel burn for ram shoot, channel shoot, channel burn for crow shoot make abomination draw card from tally sheet discard card for effigies get a stone ability, make waif.Keeping him more than a turn means you're either losing a waif, or not channeling.Exception is when I walk A&D or something to teleport to it turn 1 to kill a from the shadows dude or something. Then turn 2 he takes a couple pot shots and makes a waif. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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