J_D Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I thought I had read somewhere that you can use the models from Puppetwars in a normal game of malifaux, if you put them on the correct base size. But now I can't seem to find where I found it, so can anyone point it out for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clousseau Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 Yes, legal - and look great. I've run a 100% puppet Lady J crew at tournaments a few times. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12083335/2014-05-16%2020.16.27.jpg 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermicious Knid Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Which is amusing since it really goes against the spirit and intent of the conversion/proxy rules. Ah the hypocrisy of the tournament scene... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeton Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Which is amusing since it really goes against the spirit and intent of the conversion/proxy rules. Ah the hypocrisy of the tournament scene... How so? The spirit of those rules to me seems to be that you should use Wyrd's models (which Puppets are) and that the models you use can't be mistaken for a different model in the game (which Puppets can't, since they are a direct representation of their normal counterpart). Where's the hypocrisy? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lusciousmccabe Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I'd imagine knid is referring to the statement about proxies not being allowed because they make it harder to read the battlefield at a glance. A whole crew of puppets could be very confusing visually, but that's more acceptable than one obvious proxy from another manufacturer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeton Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 A whole crew of ordinary Malifaux models can be very confusing visually - I've had opponents unable to tell at a glance which models were Viktorias and which were Ronin because they're all just women with swords and guns. Denying the use of proxies from other manufacturers has nothing to do with them being confusing, let's be honest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermicious Knid Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Exactly what Lucius said- that puppet crew that was posted looks great, but it's far more likely to cause in-game confusion than most proxies/conversions that people use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Denying the use of proxies from other manufacturers has nothing to do with them being confusing, let's be honest. That is likely true, but it is, by far, the most cited reason for disallowing proxies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clousseau Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Exactly what Lucius said- that puppet crew that was posted looks great, but it's far more likely to cause in-game confusion than most proxies/conversions that people use Having used this crew in around 10 tournament games I don't believe there's ever been any confusion. I always go through the crew before the game and I think the puppets clearly represent what they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Having used this crew in around 10 tournament games I don't believe there's ever been any confusion. I always go through the crew before the game and I think the puppets clearly represent what they are.The same is true of good proxies as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeton Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Most tournaments I've been in have been fine with good-looking, clearly-identifiable non-Wyrd proxy models - just check with your TO before the event, or bring an official model as a backup. There's no point trying to get the Wyrd-only clause in Gaining Grounds changed, but it's usually not a hard-and-fast rule at most events anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarSol Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 In addition to the recognition factor, most proxy restrictions are to promote the artistic style of the game and develop the IP. You want your game to have an identifiable art direction and style. All part of standing out in the crowd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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