Patzer Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Burt Jebsen seems to be able to fit in a lot of crews. For example. Hamelin: Burts' Slippery ability can be used to just shove of attacks to nearby rats. Similar tactics can be used with Mindless Zombies in Ressers (so Nico too I guess). Viktorias, Raspy, Sonnia, Hamelin, Mei Feng, and any crew hiring Lazarus: all likes when models bunch up so they can get their Blasts to connect. Cracker jack Timing is tailored for that purpose. Just haven't heard of anyone using him in a out of faction crew. How come? Is he not worth paying 8ss for? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Hmm interesting. Might certainly be worth it. I'm not super fond of gremlins so I guess that's why I never thought of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I haven't yet got the model, but I was thinking of trying him out with Vikkies when I get them all painted and good to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Hmm interesting. Might certainly be worth it. I'm not super fond of gremlins so I guess that's why I never thought of it. This is basically why I've ignored him. I have no interest in the Gremlins really. They don't even intrigue me. The Outcast faction has the best Mercs in the game and as they are one of my primary factions I don't feel the need to pay extra for a Gremlin Merc when I have most of the best ones already. He may very well prove to be a fairly useful asset to some Masters out of the Gremlins faction but for 8ss I don't think be brings as much to the table as Taelor, Johan, Sue, Bishop, Killjoy, FK Librarians, Lazarus or the Strongarm Suit to name a few. All of these Outcast Mercs are easily worth the extra stone with most crews (granted some more than others!) where as I'd struggle to justify spending an extra SS on Burt which often will end up in my SS pool where it's more useful or being spent on Oathkeeper, Imbued Energies, Recalled Training etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzer Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 MasterDisaster, why would you feel hesitant to pay an extra stone for Burt (besides ideological reasons)? Since, for instance, I don't think that the Librarian is particularly good outside of Outcasts. They are fine at 7ss, but 8ss and loosing a lot of their healing powers makes them a questionable hire for me. I would also have some problem with paying 9ss for Sue. While I would paying 8ss for Burt under the right circumstances doesn't seem that far fetched to me. My point being, we apparently have different views on what is worth to pay extra for, and what does that come down to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Well I rarely have used any mercs, I have only now started using Bishop as a merc. But I would really like to try out Burt in a couple of crews, especially because of Crackerjack Timing. If that goes through, it can be devastating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzer Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Hmm interesting. Might certainly be worth it. I'm not super fond of gremlins so I guess that's why I never thought of it. Who would you consider taking him with? Well I rarely have used any mercs, I have only now started using Bishop as a merc. But I would really like to try out Burt in a couple of crews, especially because of Crackerjack Timing. If that goes through, it can be devastating. Do you feel that paying 8ss for mainly getting Cracker Jack Timing is too much, or do you account for his other abilities too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebus Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 the real question is who is taking Gracie as a merc?! I brought her once in a Tara crew. Tara delivery a gracie into your opponents face is fun. specially when she pops out and then gets two activations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Ezyryder: I think the first point would be Crackerjack Timing. Then all the other things he brings are just a really nice bonus to that. He can be quite durable and do some serious damage at least on paper. 8ss, not sure is that too much though and who would I leave out. That's why I want to try him out. The Vikkies being an obvious choice as to me they don't really care who they run with and Crackerjack can be really devastating with them. the real question is who is taking Gracie as a merc?! I brought her once in a Tara crew. Tara delivery a gracie into your opponents face is fun. specially when she pops out and then gets two activations! Oh right. She's a mercenary. Completely forgot about that. I need to start looking something up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godlyness Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Well Burt in a Tara list is a 4 ap monster. Pretty sure Tara can get within 8" of something on turn one. Grabs Burt from the void. He goes reckless and pepper box the world. Or 2 focused shots for blasts is fine Also. Heck triggers are fun to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 MasterDisaster, why would you feel hesitant to pay an extra stone for Burt (besides ideological reasons)? Since, for instance, I don't think that the Librarian is particularly good outside of Outcasts. They are fine at 7ss, but 8ss and loosing a lot of their healing powers makes them a questionable hire for me. I would also have some problem with paying 9ss for Sue. While I would paying 8ss for Burt under the right circumstances doesn't seem that far fetched to me. My point being, we apparently have different views on what is worth to pay extra for, and what does that come down to? Too be honest with you given the crews I play I can only really see Burt being at all useful with Sonnia and even then if I'm in the market for some out of faction help I'll be reaching for the FK Specialist before Burt. I'd feel quite comfortable paying 9ss for Sue in another crew if I really needed some anti-magic protection and a badass gunslinger (who wasn't a Convict Gunslinger). As for the FK Librarian the only crews I tend to hire her for that aren't Outcast are Resser Tara and 10T Misaki because they are still technically Outcasts even when using their alt factions so she does have uses. Also a Furiously Casting model is always useful against Kirai and other Incorporeal heavy crews. I think it just comes down to a personal preference and personally I'm not a fan of Gremlins which is probably a dominant factor in why I've not fielded him. I have been tempted to try out Burt and Gracie with a few crews so perhaps one day.... perhaps. I'll maybe give Burt a try one day but when I have access to Hans, Bishop (AKA King Badass) and, Lazarus, Killjoy and all the other awesome Mercs in the Outcast faction I can't see myself reaching for the little green buggers too often.... Although I can see Lazarus and Burt having some fun together with Crackerjack Timing Whilst we are on the topic of Mercs. Are there any other Out of Faction Mercs you'd consider using. Oiran or Performers for example, I've used the Oiran a few times with my Viks with fairly decent success. The Viks aren't hungry for so they can be saved for the Oiran's Lure which can be useful in setting up some nasty Whirlwind Bombs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzer Posted November 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Whilst we are on the topic of Mercs. Are there any other Out of Faction Mercs you'd consider using. Oiran or Performers for example, I've used the Oiran a few times with my Viks with fairly decent success. The Viks aren't hungry for so they can be saved for the Oiran's Lure which can be useful in setting up some nasty Whirlwind Bombs. Performer is a model I think every McMourning player should look into, and other masters that can sport some Poison synergy or simply likes "Don't Mind Me". For 6ss, they are a bargain. Oiran out of faction for 6ss... Colette can use them a fair bit I think, Pandora too for the extra WP. The price seems a little steep, but for the Viks and other crews that doesn't need crows they can surely be useful. They are still cast 8 McTavish is great even without Swampfiends around. A versatile henchman. Can't think of any other out of faction mercs to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 The Mercs available currently are as follows Ama No Zako - 10T / Outcast Bishop - Outcast Burt Jebson - Gremlins Convict Gunslinger - Outcast Desperate Mercenary - Outcast FK Librarian - Outcast FK Specialist - Outcast FK Trapper - Outcast Freikorpsmann - Outcast Gracie - Gremlins Hannah - Outcast Hans - Outcast Hog Whisperer - Gremlins Johan - Outcast Killjoy - Outcast Malifaux Child - Outcast McTavish - Gremlins Oiran - 10T Performer - Arcanists Ronin - Outcast Strongarm Suit - Outcast Student of Conflict - Outcast Sue - Outcast Taelor - Outcast Torakage - 10T (Always forget these guys are Mercs!) So given that list (may have forgotten one or two) there aren't really that many Merc who aren't Outcast. Most of them have limited uses outside of their faction. Burt, Performers and Oiran seem to be some of the more versatile Mercs outside of their faction when it comes to non-Outcast Mercs but they still seem to be vastly outshone bu the Outcats Mercs based on this list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 And Lazarus, with your picture I would have thought you liked grenade launchers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 And Lazarus, with your picture I would have thought you liked grenade launchers! *Face palm* Lazarus is one of my favorites and I forgot him! I am ashamed! Also.. Yes I do... VERY much so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 And Lazarus, with your picture I would have thought you liked grenade launchers! He's just pretending. He's a pacifist! He always tries to play a settle game where we both just deliver a message and agree to a tie in the "turf understanding" area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 He's just pretending. He's a pacifist! He always tries to play a settle game where we both just deliver a message and agree to a tie in the "turf understanding" area. Not quite what I had in mind when you smashed my Lilith crew with that horrible Ramos crew of yours! Langston = Filth... period! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Not quite what I had in mind when you smashed my Lilith crew with that horrible Ramos crew of yours! Langston = Filth... period! Well.. I guess I just got caught lying my ass off then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJudge Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 burt with McCabe. Give him the elixir of life for regen which means he can reckless and then regen. Then give him the badge of speed for nimble. 4AP of which one has to be a walk. I plan on giving this a go sometime soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzer Posted November 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 burt with McCabe. Give him the elixir of life for regen which means he can reckless and then regen. Then give him the badge of speed for nimble. 4AP of which one has to be a walk. I plan on giving this a go sometime soon. Sounds really solid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brdparker Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I'd be interested in seeing him in a neverborn Zoraida crew with Swampfiends. I always have an issue with the opponent killing my gupps for the extra damage, free Spawn Mother Charge, and Juju unburying, so the ability to slip the damage off to one of them can be handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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