Sevorin Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 I wanted to add to this: How so? My declared model is Izamu. Reliquary specifically states name a friendly Ancestor model (Izamu) which was killed or scarified in this game...summon the name model (Izamu) into base contact with target corpse marker. Is there a rule or FAQ that specifically addresses this not being the case as I don't see how it could not be the model that you named (edit - this seems like I'm being argumentative which I'm not, this is a genuine enquiry. Hard to get tone on the internet!). Interesting. Technically you are correct. I see this as another "loophole" similar to the Dreamer/Levi condition issue. The only requirement for Bodyguard is if that model is in play at the end of the game. Which if Yan Lo brings the model back, it is. It is a unique model (unlike other models that summon non unique models). This is indeed a FAQ worthy question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahmaul Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 I've just started a discussion about this in the rules subforum too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausplosions Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 I wanted to add to this: Interesting. Technically you are correct. I see this as another "loophole" similar to the Dreamer/Levi condition issue. The only requirement for Bodyguard is if that model is in play at the end of the game. Which if Yan Lo brings the model back, it is. It is a unique model (unlike other models that summon non unique models). This is indeed a FAQ worthy question. No its not FAQ worthy. It is not a "resummon". It is a summon. It is not the model you hired and selected for bodyguard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypoking Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 What he said. Its a brand new Izamu. Which means that your old body guard target's still very dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Shine Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Where's it unique? Its Rare 1, so you can only have one in play at a time. So say hello to your brand new model and goodnye to those VP for bodyguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevorin Posted August 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Yeah, thats how I originally looked at it. Then after I read the requirements of Bodyguard, and was thinking there was only 1 Izamu in the game, I was unsure. I thought maybe it was an unintended loophole. Makes sense that it is treated as a new model (like any other model). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Hired Izamu dies. Summoned Izamu arrives. They are not the same model anymore. That's how I see it. The model dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahmaul Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Just copy and pasting my response from the other thread discussing this: Good discussion though I'd still love to see something official on it as it could be argued either way. Although I play Ressers with Yan Lo I would accept it's a bit too much to be able to bring him back and get Bodyguard. But there is definitely an interpretation of the rules that suggests it is the case. I don't know anything about Bad Juju but does his bury mechanic mean he is really hard to deny Bodyguard points on? The other case I was thinking of with my own crew is the Bete Noir and her bury/unbury mechanic but as she can only unbury on enemy kills it's nowhere near as effective. (could a mod merge these two threads if appropriate?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Where's it unique? Its Rare 1, so you can only have one in play at a time. So say hello to your brand new model and goodnye to those VP for bodyguard Shikome are Rare 2. If Kirai hires two Shikome, and they both die, then when she summons a new Shikome does it "count as" one of the two earlier Shikome? If my opponent chose one for Murder Protégé, can Kirai "resummon" the dead Shikome to deny my opponent the points they gained for killed it the first time? Of course not. That would be really weird. If you and your opponent both hire Izamu, does he count as being the same model as the opponent's Izamu? Of course not. They're both Izamu, but they're different Izamus. The same principle applies if you summon a new Izamu. It's Izamu, yes, but it's not the same Izamu as the one you hired (and chose for your Bodyguard). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahmaul Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Not sure if you've quoted the wrong person Mindshread but pretty sure you've just argued the same thing as Mister Shine! This is a good explanation though: If you and your opponent both hire Izamu, does he count as being the same model as the opponent's Izamu? Of course not. They're both Izamu, but they're different Izamus. The same principle applies if you summon a new Izamu. It's Izamu, yes, but it's not the same Izamu as the one you hired (and chose for your Bodyguard). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucidicide Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 http://wyrd-games.net/community/topic/102944-bodyguard-question/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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