Math Mathonwy Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 This came up in today's game. We all read it that you could do it, but agreed that it's probably a good idea to make sure. So here goes:Can you discard Stilts to lower the damage you get from Dumb Luck resulting from your Melee attack to zero?In the game Francois Dumb Lucked for ten and would've taken five but discarded Stilts to avoid the damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 hypoking Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 I've been taking stilts on Franc explicitly to do this for a while now. Raw wise it works, the backlash is damage from a mele attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 rgarbonzo Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 The question should be does damage suffered from a trigger on a Ml Attack Action count as damage from a Ml Attack Action? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 zFiend Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 The question should be does damage suffered from a trigger on a Ml Attack Action count as damage from a Ml Attack Action? That's exactly why we thought we should ask, as that's the thing which might make this not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Robble Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 i would say it doesnt. dumb luck does not have a melee or ranged icon, making it non specific damage type. stilts can only be used while suffering from a melee attack action, just like you wouldnt be able to use it against black blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MasterDisaster Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Franc takes 5 Damage as part of the effect of a Trigger, not an attack. I can't see how Stilts will reduce the damage as it's not even an attack, it's a part of the Dumb Luck Trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Adran Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 My View - The damage comes from a melee attack, so it can be stilted. If you could give a gremlin bulletproof and they then dumb lucked a Sh attack, they would get the "armour" for that. Its like Blasts from a Ca attack aren't effected by Incorporail, but blasts from a Sh attack will be. The action that causes the damage is a Ml action therefore it is Ml damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 zFiend Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 i would say it doesnt. dumb luck does not have a melee or ranged icon, making it non specific damage type. stilts can only be used while suffering from a melee attack action, just like you wouldnt be able to use it against black blood. Franc takes 5 Damage as part of the effect of a Trigger, not an attack. I can't see how Stilts will reduce the damage as it's not even an attack, it's a part of the Dumb Luck Trigger. That's what I thought as well, but then I leaned towards that it did originate from a ML attack. My initial impression was that it is from a trigger dmg not actually ml dmg, so it would be able to reduce if you hit by a ml, not if you backfire with dumb luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 hypoking Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Dumb luck doesn't do any additional damage itself, it only modifies the damage curve and throws in the backlash clause. Damage being dealt to both models on a dumb lucked attack is still coming from a ml or sh action. The Rules Instead of it's normal damage, this attack deals X/X/X damage to the target, and this model suffers damage equal to half the amount the target suffers Further, pg21If a trigger is part of a specific action it is listed below the actions description. These are called action triggers and are part of the action itself. Emphasis added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 zFiend Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Quite convincing Hypoking. Then Stilts should be able to negate the damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 rgarbonzo Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Dumb luck doesn't do any additional damage itself, it only modifies the damage curve and throws in the backlash clause. Damage being dealt to both models on a dumb lucked attack is still coming from a ml or sh action. Further, Emphasis added. Ah I see it now, it still feels a bit dirty though I like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MasterDisaster Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Yeah, that clears it up for me as well. Thanks for the clarification. Dirty dirty little Gremlins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Hateful Darkblack Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Yeah, the Triggers are part of the attack. I'd say this totally works. And is hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 zFiend Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 And is hilarious. Well no. I think the Gremlins were bad enough already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Math Mathonwy Posted June 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Well no. I think the Gremlins were bad enough already Says the guy who quite handily took my Gremlins to the cleaners on Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 zFiend Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Says the guy who quite handily took my Gremlins to the cleaners on Tuesday. Haha I didn't, I killed two, two of your Gremlins! Slop Hauler and the sniper guy EDIT: With 3 AP from Seamus and 3 Wounds to Seamus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Math Mathonwy Posted June 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Haha I didn't, I killed two, two of your Gremlins! Slop Hauler and the sniper guy But I cared for those to Gremlins! They were really good Gremlins and you mercilessly killed them! Heartless, evil Seamus! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 zFiend Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 But I cared for those to Gremlins! They were really good Gremlins and you mercilessly killed them! Heartless, evil Seamus! No arguments there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Math Mathonwy
This came up in today's game. We all read it that you could do it, but agreed that it's probably a good idea to make sure. So here goes:
Can you discard Stilts to lower the damage you get from Dumb Luck resulting from your Melee attack to zero?
In the game Francois Dumb Lucked for ten and would've taken five but discarded Stilts to avoid the damage.
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