I second James' summary. Also, we should make a decision soon (at least as the timings for the season are concerned - before January). The thread has been up a while now, and everyone can post their opinion, but we can't wait forever, it'll either die down or it will get repetitive, both not very helpful directions. If Greg (or anyone else) has new input, THEN POST HERE instead of talking to single people. Edit: I thought as well about groups of 5, but with 4 games two wins and two losses is very possible, what is way less elegant than two wins getting you further. But if people are happy 4 games and with VP diff playing a bigger role than wins, it's certainly a possibility. It makes match-ups and groups a bigger deal as well. For these reasons I'm for keeping it at 16.