I have played WFB since '96. I have 8 armies all in the 2000 minimum size range (by old 8th standards). Outside the comments the GW rep said about the old WFB players, I don't feel burned by this game at all. I have ran one demo and played one game, and both were crazy fun. I really can't understand all the hate. They boiled down a 96 some page rule book to 4 rules. Everyone is losing their minds over that, but really, what was lost? Overly complicated rules about moving a block of 50 models. A magic system that was house ruled in every tournament ever ran. A hit and wound chart that was only really needed in the most rare occasions. Troops and models totally left off list as they were no "good" in a game or too expense to buy. I can't remember ever seeing a campaign or tournament that was mot house ruled with page after page of rules to make the game balanced for all players. I mean, I know 8th was at its highest point in the gaming world before GW came in and took that all away. Really, I just can't understand the hate. For the first time in 4 years, I played a game with my fantasy models. For the first time in 4 years, I worked on some of the models. For the first time in 4 years, I have wanted to play a game of fantasy with my 1000 some models. And this is not fanboy talk, I dislike GW's greed to the highest degree.I have not gave them a penny of my money in 5 years. I like the game, my fellow wargamers in my group like the game, many are hyped to get armies together and play something we have not played in 4 years. So the rules are only 4 pages, that does not make the game bad in any way. So you got to house rule some stuff, what edition did you not have to do that with?