Triggers and Suits

[monkeyboy30672]

Hey, folks,

 

Maybe this is evident in the RB, but I couldn't find it anywhere, and it wasn't addressed by the FAQ. It seems rather an important distinction, so maybe I'm just being thick about it... Not unheard of... 

 

So if a duel has a starting Stat value that includes a suit, and a Trigger has the same suit on it, does that mean that the flip needs to include 2 of that suit to trigger?

 

Example:

 

Baby Kade - 

     (1) Carving Knife (Ml 7*Mask* / Rst: Df / Rng: melee 1): Target suffers 1/2/4 damage. If the target is engaged with at least one other friendly model, deal +2 damage.

          *Mask* *Mask* Flay: The damage flip resulting from this attack may be cheated if it suffers from one or more minus flips.

 

In this example, the Ml stat has a value of 7 Mask to start. In order to trigger Flay, does the controller only need to flip one more Mask, in order to meet the double Mask trigger value, or does the controller need two more Masks on top of the one listed in the Ml value?

 

Thanks!

[Tuttleboy]

Nope. You declare one trigger after resolving duel totals.

[Dracomax]

You add the mask on the attack to what you flipped, and if you have 2 masks between them, you get to use flay.

[Drats]

^ That. This also means that if an action with a built-in suit has a trigger whose only requirement is one of that suit, you basically get to trigger it "for free."

[monkeyboy30672]

Wow... then Langston Hughes' "Decapitation" trigger is exceptionally nasty!

 

Thanks for the clarification, guys!

[Dracomax]

Wow... then Langston Hughes' "Decapitation" trigger is exceptionally nasty!

 

Keep in mind, if it didn't work that way, Langston could not get decapitate at all—outside of a very few models, requiring an addition two suits to go off above what is in the attack line, can only be achieved through Soulstones, and Howard Langston notably can't use them.

[Godgolden]

Howard needs to flip a Ram, if he does he can declare his trigger (after the cheating phase).

 

And lop someones head off.

 

But he needs the ram because it isn't built in, he has the crow, but not the ram in his attack.

[Tuttleboy]

Nope. You declare one trigger after resolving duel totals.

Some day soon I'll learn to fully read all posts, every time before I type a reply.

But probably not.

[dalezzz]

this had me a bit confused too

I noticed Nicodem has a Ca 6 (Crows) ability and the trigger needs 2 crows, why is the ability not just a Ca 6 ability with a 1 crow trigger? theres no second trigger to choose so it seems pointless? i assume im missing something

[HalcyonSeraph]

this had me a bit confused too

I noticed Nicodem has a Ca 6 (Crows) ability and the trigger needs 2 crows, why is the ability not just a Ca 6 ability with a 1 crow trigger? theres no second trigger to choose so it seems pointless? i assume im missing something

 

It interacts with some other things. For instance, Nicodem might have an upgrade (or get one in the future) that gives him a new trigger, and whether or not he has that crow suddenly matters. Or he could be casting against someone with Counterspell and lose his suits and now he can't get a double-crow trigger at all. Or he could be in an aura that gives him a trigger. 

 

The casts and the triggers are designed to interact with the whole game, not just the card they're on. 

[dalezzz]

makes sense thanks for that.