Curropepe Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 The title says it all. According to the rulebook, it seems they can't, but the crew creator allows you to do so. Which one is right? Thanks in advance!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Csonti Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I have only the last beta rulebook at hand but according to that Totems can only be hired when a Master is present. When a Henchman leads the crew he becomes the leader of the crew but doesn't get Master status with it. So based on this, the answer is no. Maybe the printed rulebook got some rewording to allow this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ikvar Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 There are master specific totems, and there are generic faction specific totems. I see no reason why a henchman who are leading a crew(turning him into the leader), can not hire the generic faction totem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 egoon Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 The rulebook says something cryptic like (citing from memory) "The totem only takes the field if beckoned by its master". That could imply that henchmen cannot hire totems, but I'm not sure. I have played it so henchmen cannot hire totems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 tinfish Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 That could just as easily mean the Henchman is it's master and you can't take a totem without it's "master" regardless of wether that is a genuine master or a henchman. Could benefit from clarification of intent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 CrouchingMoose Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 I actually had to ask Justin this very question when putting together the Crew Creator and the answer is yes, they can. They can also hire the 2 generic Mercenary totems as well. An interesting side note, Hungering Darkness is a totem that can also hire a totem if it leads the crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Omenbringer Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 (edited) I actually had to ask Justin this very question when putting together the Crew Creator and the answer is yes, they can. They can also hire the 2 generic Mercenary totems as well. Something that should probably be added to the next FAQ update as the Rulebook uses the definitive "Master" rather than the general "Leader" or "Master/Henchman" throughout the Totem Rules on both page 54 of the big book and 65 of the Mini. It also slightly contradicts the rules for Henchman under Station Characteristics (page 55 main book, page 66 mini) which clearly state "While not Masters, a Henchman is a competent leader of men." I understand the intent but it is likely something that will continue to come up until inclusion in the "official Faq" document. As a caveat to the original question (and for completeness); Can a Henchman have his totem hired while working under a Master (i.e. not leading the crew)? ---------- Post added at 10:50 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:48 AM ---------- An interesting side note, Hungering Darkness is a totem that can also hire a totem if it leads the crew. Huggy loses the Totem characteristic while leading a crew due to his The Real Power ability. Edited December 28, 2013 by Omenbringer clarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 CrouchingMoose Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 I agree that it should be included in the upcoming FAQ (next one should be released next week since it's supposed to be the first of every other month and the last one was November). I was just wanting to put the answer I got from Justin for others until it could be included in an FAQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ikvar Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 As a caveat to the original question (and for completeness); Can a Henchman hire a totem while working under a Master (i.e. not leading the crew)? I kinda think this is an easy question to explain- when you hire a henchman into a crew with a master, he is not promoted to the leader of the crew and can therefore not have a totem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Omenbringer Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 I kinda think this is an easy question to explain- when you hire a henchman into a crew with a master, he is not promoted to the leader of the crew and can therefore not have a totem. Though I agree that it is an easy question to answer (at least in reconciling with the current M2E Hiring rules) it is not for the above reason. The hiring characteristics for Totems (page 54 in the big book, 65 in the mini) never mention "Leader" only "Master" and "lead by the listed Master" (hence the Op's question in regards to a Henchman hiring a totem when leading a crew). The hiring characteristics also clearly state that; A crew may only hire one model with the Totem characteristic. Now some Totem models have a special rule which will trump this (i.e. Skeeters Plentiful or the Daydreams Greedy for Attention rules) but aside from those "special" interactions the current rules clearly state that a crew may only hire a single Totem model and strongly implies that only a Master model may do it. As CrouchingMoose states in his post, Justin has told him otherwise in a conversation they had while he was updating the Crew Creator. Though I would be surprised if it wasn't true, RAW are in opposition to this. Unfortunately a new Faq entry will more than likely be necessary since it is the only document that carries "official" weight outside of the Rulebooks (which are in the opposite direction). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Justin Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Something that should probably be added to the next FAQ update as the Rulebook uses the definitive "Master" rather than the general "Leader" or "Master/Henchman" throughout the Totem Rules on both page 54 of the big book and 65 of the Mini. It also slightly contradicts the rules for Henchman under Station Characteristics (page 55 main book, page 66 mini) which clearly state "While not Masters, a Henchman is a competent leader of men." I understand the intent but it is likely something that will continue to come up until inclusion in the "official Faq" document. As a caveat to the original question (and for completeness); Can a Henchman have his totem hired while working under a Master (i.e. not leading the crew)? ---------- Post added at 10:50 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:48 AM ---------- Huggy loses the Totem characteristic while leading a crew due to his The Real Power ability. I don't understand your follow up question. Which henchmen have a specific totem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Kalkris Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 I don't understand your follow up question. Which henchmen have a specific totem? None do, for sure. But can you confirm that a crew lead by, say, Barbaros, could hire a Primodial Magic (in such an instance)? ~Lil Kalki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Thaarup Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 I don't understand your follow up question. Which henchmen have a specific totem? Omenbringer is talking about a henchman bringing a totem while the team is being lead by a Master. So potential having two (or more) totems in the same crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Omenbringer Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Omenbringer is talking about a henchman bringing a totem while the team is being lead by a Master. So potential having two (or more) totems in the same crew. Pretty much this (as well as when/if a Henchman receive specific totems). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Justin Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Omenbringer is talking about a henchman bringing a totem while the team is being lead by a Master. So potential having two (or more) totems in the same crew. If you read the totem rules, I think this is pretty clear. If not, let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Omenbringer Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 If you read the totem rules, I think this is pretty clear. If not, let me know. So one and only one may be hired per crew unless a specific rule states otherwise (Skeeter's, Daydreams, etc.). Just wanted to be sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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According to the rulebook, it seems they can't, but the crew creator allows you to do so. Which one is right?
Thanks in advance!!
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