loudo Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 really simple one here, can i use melee master to give me one of the two AP needed to charge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Fetid Strumpet Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 No, Specific AP can only be used to take the action they provide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 loudo Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 great, thankyou. So i could use it to help me make a focused strike then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Fetid Strumpet Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 No, Specific AP can only be used to take the action they provide. Melee Expert lets you make a Melee Strike. Focusing a strike takes a (2) Action. The fact that it is generating a type of strike doesn't matter, as to take the action still requires (2) AP to be spent on it. Melee exert only generates an AP that can be used for a Melee Strike. The (2) will still need to be spent, which will have to come from your general AP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 loudo Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 does that mean casting expert only works for a (1) spell then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Fetid Strumpet Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 loudo Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 thankyou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 dmeep Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 What about the extra AP from Arcane Effigys Cunduct Aether that gives +1 AP that can only be used for cast or channel Action? Lets say I cast this on a casting expert master like Zoraida? I can use the Conduct Aether AP with her 2 General AP for casting a 2AP spell or channeling a 1AP spell but not for channeling the casting expert spell or casting a 2AP spell after using the general AP for summoning a voodoo doll right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 *Jack* Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 What about the extra AP from Arcane Effigys Cunduct Aether that gives +1 AP that can only be used for cast or channel Action? Lets say I cast this on a casting expert master like Zoraida? I can use the Conduct Aether AP with her 2 General AP for casting a 2AP spell or channeling a 1AP spell but not for channeling the casting expert spell or casting a 2AP spell after using the general AP for summoning a voodoo doll right? Conduct aether is different. Casting expert can ONLY be used for a casting action. That's a (1) spell. General AP can be spent on anything. Conduct aether gives one AP to be used for casting or channeling actions. This means you can cast obey with casting expert, walk for 1ap, then channel a spell, or cast hex (thats the (2) one right?) for your remaining general plus the conduct aether one. It all sounds very complicated but its really not. Pay absolute attention to terminology and it'll all become clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Csonti Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 This is covered in the FAQ: Can I take the Focus or Channel Actions using AP granted from Melee or Casting Expert respectively? No. Melee and Casting Expert grant specific AP for the Strike and Cast Actions, respectively. You may not Charge or use any Talents that require general AP using the specific AP granted. You may only perform the Actions permitted by specific AP. Can I use the specific AP from Casting Expert to pay for part of a (2) cost spell? No. As stated in the Rules Manual (p33), specific AP cannot be combined with general AP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Omenbringer Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 This is covered in the FAQ: No body reads those as the links are on a completely different website to the forum. Perhaps the time has passed to rehost those here (stickied to the sub-forum) rather than a stickied thread that redirects you to them over at Malifaux.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Q'iq'el Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 (edited) does that mean casting expert only works for a (1) spell then? No, Casting Expert is a bit different. You are not limited by the number in brackets. You are limited by the name of the Action you can use the AP on. Melee expert -> only for Strike Action : it so happens Strike Actions only ever cost (1) AP, but it has nothing to do with Melee expert wording or rules. Casting expert -> only for Cast Action : it so happens this may cost (0), (1), (2) or (ALL) and so you still can use your Casting Expert AP on any of these casts except for (0). Note also that a spell which says (ALL) will use up your Specific CE AP together with your General AP. And, IIRC, you still cannot use Casting Expert AP for Channel, just like you cannot use Melee Expert AP for Focus. These are different Actions, not listed in the rules for these Specific AP. Edited December 5, 2012 by Q'iq'el Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Kadeton Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 No' date=' [b']Casting Expert is a bit different. You are not limited by the number in brackets. You are limited by the name of the Action you can use the AP on. Casting expert -> only for Cast Action : it so happens this may cost (0), (1), (2) or (ALL) and so you still can use your Casting Expert AP on any of these casts except for (0). Except (correct me if I'm wrong, I don't have my book to hand) there's a specific rule that prevents you from combining specific AP with general AP in all circumstances. So (+1) Casting Expert can never be combined with a general AP to cast a (2) spell, can't be used to cast a (0), and makes no difference for an (all) - which effectively means it can only ever be used to cast a (1) spell anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ausplosions Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 What? No. Casting expert cannot be combined with general AP. So you can only cast (1) spells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Q'iq'el Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Hmm, I felt there's something wrong with my line of thinking as I was writing it. Didn't occur to me to check the rules for specific APs, since the wording of the rule seems clear enough. Indeed, these cannot be combined with general AP (page 33). Perhaps the rules could be more streamlined in this area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Csonti Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 I wish somebody would post the exact answer (quoted from the official FAQ which referenced page 33 of the RM) to this on the bottom of the first page of this thread... Wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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really simple one here, can i use melee master to give me one of the two AP needed to charge?
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