Joel Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Not sure how effective this would be, but I saw that zoraida can hire any living model with Wp4 or less...so...how about this as the core of a crew? Zoraida voodoo doll tuco gunsmith gunsmith gunsmith gives you scope to add to the list with something nasty and neverborn... anyone tried it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiralngCadavr Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Gunsmiths are special forces, so max 2, I believe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted March 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Ah! but doesnt zoraida have special considerations when hiring special forces too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CN the Logos Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 IIRC, Zoraida's ability to lead special forces applies only to Dolls. Not sure where that clarification can be found, exactly, but the crew creator seems to back it up. Anyone else out there have a page number or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiralngCadavr Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Anyone else out there have a page number or something? For what? And, yeah, Zoraida's special forces only applies to Dolls (the same with Ramos and M&SU) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRC Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 It's in the characteristics section, next to stuff like Graverobber. Page 18? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shank Seamus! Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 How's about dropping 1 slinger, spending 1more SS and taking 2desperate mercs instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiralngCadavr Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 How's about dropping 1 slinger, spending 1more SS and taking 2desperate mercs instead? 2 desperate mercs are only 2 SS, vs. 6 for a gunsmith, so that's actually cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shank Seamus! Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 No +1 for out of faction..? Nvm: comes cheap.. well save 2points and take 2 mercs then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted March 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) Sounds great! Good idea guys . Consider them added. Zoraida 2x desperate merc 2x gunsmith Tuco Hmmm...what next? Papa loco? Coppelius? Edited March 16, 2012 by Joel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwergenkrieger Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Sounds great! Good idea guys . Consider them added. Zoraida 2x desperate merc 2x gunsmith Tuco Hmmm...what next? Papa loco? Coppelius? Mmhh, why no Doppelganger? He may copy a ranged weapon and gives you some other utility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shank Seamus! Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Mmhh, why no Doppelganger? He may copy a ranged weapon and gives you some other utility. Plus the passive initiative funs.. well worth it for that alone imo.. although if your playing a stitched, resist the combo.. it just makes people cry.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted March 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Doppelgänger sounds fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Ruckuss Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 If you want a shooty list I would actually go the Gremlins route, or take a list which includes von schill, some insidious madnesses and a terro causing beast. The other option is Hamelin, as he can be awesome with Zoraida.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwergenkrieger Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 If you want a shooty list I would actually go the Gremlins route, or take a list which includes von schill, some insidious madnesses and a terro causing beast. What´s the deal here? I can see the benefit of a terror causing beast in conjunction with insidious madnesses, but why should this work well wit vonSchill in a shotty list? Is there any synergy I didn´t notice? ZK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CannonFodder Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 (edited) Zoraida shooty list without Rami... SACRILEGE. Another Merc option is Hamelin the rat catcher, with a shooty army it might force you opponent to hug the table edge. One thing you might want to try and look at is the Suits you use. Gunsmiths want :tomes, Rami want :rams. I think Zoraida wants :masks. So does Hamelin. When going for lots of cross faction models try to maximize suit diversity. So any high suit can be used for trigger. note: incase anyone sais Convicted gunslinger, keep in mind hw can't mix with Gunsmiths. I think he has ruthless which the gunsmiths don't like. Edited March 17, 2012 by CannonFodder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sezar Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 It's not Gunsmiths who don't like Ruthless models, but Sue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted March 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 It's a shame I can't put sue, tuco and the convict gunslinger in the same crew....I would have loved to have done a "the good, the bad and the ugly" theme! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Ruckuss Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 What´s the deal here? I can see the benefit of a terror causing beast in conjunction with insidious madnesses, but why should this work well wit vonSchill in a shotty list? Is there any synergy I didn´t notice? K Is more the fact that von schill is simply incredible with Zoraida (x2 obeys and nimble!) but this means you cant hire any other special forces or mercenaries... therefore you woul have to take von schill and either a trapper or the librarian, leaving you with really only IM as an option for neverborn shooting. Therefore you would maximize this by using a terror causing beast. Sounds like alot of hassle, but von schill can literally take on crews by himself half the time. The insidious madnesses can keep up with him, and if you were to also take a black blood shamen you could (for a turn or 2) give him fast and obey him twice- thats like 6AP, 5 of which can be used to attack with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwergenkrieger Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) Is more the fact that von schill is simply incredible with Zoraida (x2 obeys and nimble!) but this means you cant hire any other special forces or mercenaries... therefore you woul have to take von schill and either a trapper or the librarian, leaving you with really only IM as an option for neverborn shooting. Therefore you would maximize this by using a terror causing beast. Whats with Tuco? He´s a shooter and if I remember correctly, he can get terrifying, too (I´m not sure on this one, though). Oh, and he has a pretty good spell that shrugs off "friendly" off a model which is a huge thing IMO. EDIT: Just had a look at Tuco on PullMyFinger. Yes, he has terrifying and yes, his spell that negates "friendly" is a (1) spell and yes, his weapon offers blast, making him a really viable addition to such a crew, especialy with a Doppelganger nearby. So what do you think about this crew: Neverborn Crew - 35 - Scrap Zoraida, the Hag -- 6 Pool Von Schill [10ss] Doppelganger [8ss]Insidious Madness [4ss]Stitched Together [5ss]Tuco [7ss] Some shooting and a bit of WP based powergaming as well as a very good utility box named Doppelganger. Edited March 18, 2012 by Zwergenkrieger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CannonFodder Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 I just tried to put a quick list together, I just realized Rami is a spec forces and can't mix with Gunsmiths. I added Iggy because he fits the cost, medium range, but also Ranged expert. Neverborn Crew - 35 - Scrap Zoraida, the Hag -- 5 Pool Convict Gunslinger [6ss]Desperate Mercenary [2ss]Gunsmith [7ss]Gunsmith [7ss]Iggy [6ss]Tuco [7ss] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Ruckuss Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Its not an optimal list by any means, but then again that is never how I play-I like unorthodox! I think its a fun looking list. Im not sure how well Tuco will do for you (i'd like to know!) and I don't know how you would fair in strategies like line in the sand... I like it-give it a try and post up how it goes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChefsDad Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Looks tasty. I don't know what the ins and outs of her crew hiring restrictions are, but for pure shooty: Zoraida Von Schill Trapper Tuco Papa Loco Brutal effigy Not sure if the effigy compromises the special forces rule, or if her doll rule overrules that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Clausewitz Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Looks tasty. I don't know what the ins and outs of her crew hiring restrictions are, but for pure shooty: Zoraida Von Schill Trapper Tuco Papa Loco Brutal effigy Not sure if the effigy compromises the special forces rule, or if her doll rule overrules that? Her special doll rule does not override the one special forces group rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CannonFodder Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Looks tasty. I don't know what the ins and outs of her crew hiring restrictions are, but for pure shooty: Zoraida Von Schill Trapper Tuco Papa Loco Brutal effigy Not sure if the effigy compromises the special forces rule, or if her doll rule overrules that? Zoraida Hire As many dolls as she likes OR hire 2 minions with the same Spec forces outside of Dolls. In either case she can't Mix special forces when hiring crews. She can Summon Dolls after the fact, but not when hiring. So no Effigy and and Von Schills in the same crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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