Viks

[Malandres]

Planning on some variations to my Viks Crew curious as to if anyone has used it or any experiences of it at all.

Viks 6ss pool

Von Schill

Librarian

Convict Gunslinger

Hans

Not really sure how it will work out as it is pretty compact but could be a fun play around

Note:

All I have done is switched out the Ronin and Student of Conflict for Hans...I have never used Hans but could see his range coming in handy for a Viks crew.

[RebeccaJo]

That seems to be an okay crew when it comes to range with Viks melee. I have never ran a Viks crew without at least one Ronin. They are pretty important for their ability to be sacrificed for more SS and for one of the Viks should they be killed.

I am also saddened to see that neither Taelor nor Misaki have made it onto many Viks crews on here. Both can be scary to be up against in melee combat. Taelor is a powerhouse, much like the Viks, and I've found to be a necessity in my crew. I would take Bishop before Hans, although Bishop is a bit more expensive. Hans, I've found, gets often left behind with the Viks fast paced movement.

The librarian is a great choice. From what I've read, Librarian is worth the slightly expensive cashe. I just picked up the Von Schill box so I could start working in some Freikorps with the Viks.

Let me know how the crew runs though. I'm always interested to find new models to work in with the Viks.

[Serigala]

The problem with adding range to a Viks crew, is that you will find that as the Viks will want to be in combat with your biggest threats, your shooters won't be able to support them without risking shooting your own models.

The convict has gunfighter and Von Schill can be almost as effective in combat as shooting, but Hans is a bit of a 1-trick pony.

I'd rather have 2 Ronin and a Desperate Merc than the Convict and Hans.

[Spiku]

RebJo: of the last 6-7 vik lists I've seen, all have included misaki or taelor

Malandres: I would say to drop Hans; a Freikorps trapper will provide more, and really you want to get into melee anyway, so shooty no good!

[BlueStar86]

Misaki and Taelor are really good models, which is why you saw them in there.

[Spiku]

BlueStar: best to read the entire topic rather than respond in isolation, you unfortunately missed that I was responding to Rebecca's comment suggesting that:

I am also saddened to see that neither Taelor nor Misaki have made it onto many Viks crews on here.

I was not suggesting surprise at the idea they WOULD be included, just surprise that someone thought they weren't popular

[EvilZeb]

Hi!

I started out with the Von Schill box. In my next order I'm gonna do a standard list that looks very much like the people suggested:

Outcasts Crew - 35 - Scrap

Viktoria -- 8 Pool

Von Schill [9ss]

Convict Gunslinger [5ss]

Freikorps Librarian [7ss]

Freikorps Trapper [6ss]

Models by the ringside:

Taelor (Never leave home without her)

Freikorps *2

Freikorps Specialist

Plus I'll order Misaki and Ronins together with the Vics.

Freikorps are like coachroches. You need to stomp them good to get rid of them. But they lack heavy hitters. Ronins are very good for their point cost + one is (hopefully) enough to keep Vic alive and kicking (might serve as a distraction once your opponents gets tired of her not dying) Misaki is fragile but has a nice reach with her melee and a good sting to it + magic weapon. Taelor is.. Taelor! She get's the job done! But at a high price.

That's how I'll start out, after reading other Vic posts and doing some reading of my own. Right now the only thing I know I'll add later is the Ten thunder brothers.

You always want to adapt the list after the strategy and schemes for the encounter. Basically I think you'll be doing the core encounters alot. Where there are 2 Strategies that will benefit from having good melee in my experience. But that's for you to find out

Edited February 19, 2012 by EvilZeb

[RebeccaJo]

Spiku: I wasn't saying that people are not taking them in their Viks crew. There are people out there who are using them. I was just alluding the fact that more people are taking Freikorps and the Convict Gunslinger first.

[Spiku]

My sincerest, to me, saying "I am also saddened to see that neither Taelor nor Misaki have made it onto many Viks crews on here" reads that you find that not many of the Vik builds people put up here on the forum have Taelor nor Misaki, which confused me given how very often one or both are taken.

[Malandres]

I am going to try out the crew I started on this forum but will also have my Ronin and Student of Conflict and of course the Trappers there in case I do not like Hans but I just fancy using something that people don't always use...yes internet wisdom says he is rubbish but hey! I want to use it and I will

[Normski]

Im starting with a Vik's crew as my first crew and ive just been on the crew creator on Malifaux.com and there are some pretty cool combos to play with!

but!! as I see it Taelor and the ronins are a must, Von Schill,Librarian and a trapper making up the rest is I think the way to go? but in new so hey its all a guess lol

but until my Frieksters get here in going to have to plump for Viks with avatar of slaughter, Taelor, Sue,Desperate Merc male and female and Bishop there is enough SS left to include student of conflict and add maybe 2 others thats on 35s brawl!

but for a quick 25's I think imgoing to have to play Viks with Av with Taelor,Sue with a Student of Conflict and the 2 Desperate Mercs ?

does this sound do-able?

[BlueStar86]

BlueStar: best to read the entire topic rather than respond in isolation, you unfortunately missed that I was responding to Rebecca's comment suggesting that:

I was not suggesting surprise at the idea they WOULD be included, just surprise that someone thought they weren't popular

I was responding directly to you, not Malandries. I admit I didn't make that clear, but I honestly figured it would be obvious. I was wrong.

[Kadeton]

I've found that Von Schill and a Librarian form the best core of any Viks list. Once you've got those, you can fill out the list according to the mission, but there's almost never a reason not to take those two.

I've found Misaki to be disappointing, and Taelor wrecks face but only if the face comes all the way over the board to get itself wrecked - she's just too damn slow to keep up with the Viks and Von Schill. She's rock-solid for Hold Out, though.

I haven't had a chance to play with the newer mercs like Sue, McTavish and the Ten Thunders (they're in the mail, though...). I suspect I won't get much use out of Sue except in special circumstances due to his conflict with Von Schill.

Hans is complete garbage, in my experience. When he gets engaged in melee, it's game over for him, and he's too expensive to use as bait. Take a Convict instead.

[Spiku]

I was responding directly to you, not Malandries. I admit I didn't make that clear, but I honestly figured it would be obvious. I was wrong.

There was no suggestion I thought you were talking to Malandries. Your responding to me made little sense in isolation; there needed to be no comment regarding the why the models are seen; I was pointing out to someone that they -were- everywhere, rather than her suggestion that they were not seen often at all. I am not sure where you have inferred that I thought you were talking about Malandries at any point, or why you think I would respond to you if I thought you were talking about Malandries. The only post I referenced was Rebecca's in my initial comment, which you made your comment in relation to the models in response of.

Kadeton: Misaki brings quite a bit, but suit dependant. The only times I've felt her disappointing was when I compared her directly to Mr Schill, or when suits weren't coming up. Would you agree that she would be perfect if her upgraded melee range buff lasted until end of turn?

Taelor I agree with; perfect for specific strategies!

That's the blessing of Schill. Schill is not bad at any of the strategies. He is flatly good at being in play; and with that you get to tailor your list to the strategy in question.

For the Hans replacement though, I'd rather take a Trapper and have the stones for other things; it means you have the long range support whilst any of your mid range models advance/keep up with Schill, as well as being untargetable for a while!

[Kadeton]

Misaki brings quite a bit, but suit dependant. The only times I've felt her disappointing was when I compared her directly to Mr Schill, or when suits weren't coming up. Would you agree that she would be perfect if her upgraded melee range buff lasted until end of turn?

I'd like to see her (0) stuff changed to an action that just required you to discard a card of the particular suit to gain the effect, and for Earth to become a (0) (and part of the aforementioned combined action). To be honest, her problem is simply that she's ludicrously easy to kill, so she never gets a chance to perform.

For the Hans replacement though, I'd rather take a Trapper and have the stones for other things; it means you have the long range support whilst any of your mid range models advance/keep up with Schill, as well as being untargetable for a while!

I've never felt like I've gotten full value out of the Trapper. The against Constructs is nice when you can get it (Beasts are even less common). From The Shadows is almost pointless in most games, since finding a place on the board that isn't within 12" of an enemy or an objective is often difficult. (Your opponent declared Kill Protege on your Librarian? Can't deploy within 12" of her. You and your opponent both declared Breakthrough? Can't deploy anywhere at all.) I also feel in general that given the usual (and recommended) amount of terrain on the board, snipers in general are mostly a waste of time, except for Austringers.

[Jewomie]

My sincerest, to me, saying "I am also saddened to see that neither Taelor nor Misaki have made it onto many Viks crews on here" reads that you find that not many of the Vik builds people put up here on the forum have Taelor nor Misaki, which confused me given how very often one or both are taken.

i can see why you thought that, but honestly, i don't see misaki hardly at all, and i've seen taelor on some lists, yes, but not nearly as often as Von-awesome and the convict gunslinger. it's understandable, i mean, von schill is pretty epic, and from what i hear the convict is pretty good too. I think Rebeccajo was just saying that for what people post on the forums, not a lot of people still list Taelor and Misaki in their lists. even if they do bring them and regularly use them.

i know first hand that Rebeccajo loves the melee chicks in her Viktoria lists... lol. she's just keeping the love alive. =]

[Spiku]

Jewomie: a lot of the vik lists on the front page when it was posted had misaki and taelor in them, and they crop up a lot. Certainly in real life I see her a lot, perhaps she is more popular in the UK?

Also do you think people will notice my vik list isn't fully female if I include Sue?

[Jewomie]

hahaha, i would hope not... but i love sue, i think he's a good character

[CN the Logos]

I like Taelor, but yeah, she's slow. On the other hand, Melee Expert means she can double walk and still hit if need be, her range with that hammer is three inches, and careful use of terrain partially alleviates the problem of her being killed at range before reaching the fight. And she's something your opponent has to respond to; if she reaches melee things are going to die, meaning your opponent has to stop her from doing that. Forcing the guy across the table from you to divert time and resources from his primary goals to respond to your threats while you're doing what you want to do anyway (in the case of Taelor, dropping the hammer on someone's face) is good.

Von Schill is amazing. The Librarian is also amazing with the Viks; keep her and one of the Viks towards the rear of the fighting, Sisters in Spirit to move each Viktoria into melee without leaving the Librarian's range, and have the Librarian heal both of them up to three times each turn. Four, if you've got a Student of Conflict nearby.

The Convict Gunslinger is good, but the sculpt looks terrible in my opinion. Hans looks cool, but sucks. Split the difference by buying Hans and the Convict Gunslinger's stat card. Hans is referred to in the fluff as a convict who shoots things, so this should be a reasonable proxy. :Smug_Puppet2:

[Seazan]

I would have to agree with pretty much all of the above. I play Viks a lot (love them) and Ive played Hans a couple of times but have found him somewhat underwelming. If you do want to have ranged ability for the mission or scheme then I'd take the Convict or Trapper over Hans any day. Convict has paired pistols, flury, faster than you (his df trigger which has prevented opponents from even targeting him to start with), bullet proof and a pretty good spell in supressing fire. Trapper, has good range, from the shadows, bonus against beasts, scout and hunter. and both are a few points less than Hans which can give you any extra ss in your cache or squeeze in another model.

And all i can say is Taelor and Misaki NOW. i NEVER play a game without at least one of them. My gaming group has learnt to fear them both

[Arcantix]

My Viks do not leave home without a Ronin.