Hjelmen Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 (edited) I was reading through Karns excellent tactica for the Dreamer, while I was looking through Rising Powers. Karn mentions that he has no idea why Coppelius has an Unexplained Connection with Hoffmann, when I suddenly remembered something. Coppelius is the antagonist in an old german horror short story from 1816 about the Sandman. The old german Der Sandmann myth speaks of a monster that takes the eyes of children, which the protagonist Nathaniel ends up connecting with a lawyer called Coppelius, that seemingly always turns up when something horrible happens to Nathaniel. He ends up in a psychotic breakdown after seeing Coppelius in a crowd, and hurls himself off a building wailing "Pretty eyes! Pretty eyes!". The story was written by the author E.T.A. Hoffmann! Does this explain the Unexplained Connection? To me it certainly does... This might not be news to anyone, but I think that it speaks volumes about how some characters are researched by Wyrd and weaved into the narrative. Coppelius is a nasty character in the old story, and Malifauxs Coppelius is definitely my favorite model and character! So if you already knew, then this is just a shout-out to Wyrd from me about such a well-made setting and narrative, and if you didn't? Then wouldn't you agree with me that it is really cool?! Edited November 23, 2010 by Hjelmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Amos Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 *clap clap* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambeul Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Nice find. The Coppelius also for some reason reminds of the monster in Pan's Labrynth that puts its eyes in the palms of its hands to see. Not quite the same but still makes me think of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oozeboss Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 (edited) ... the difference being, of course, that our Coppelius prefers to have somebody else's eyeballs in the palm of his hand. I adore everything about this miniature (I even love calimari), and - thankfully - mine is now winging his way to me as we squeak (his ETA is today). Then we shall see some eyeballs bounce ... Edited November 23, 2010 by oozeboss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxXhayzelXxx Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 I was reading through Karns excellent tactica for the Dreamer, while I was looking through Rising Powers. Karn mentions that he has no idea why Coppelius has an Unexplained Connection with Hoffmann, when I suddenly remembered something. Coppelius is the antagonist in an old german horror short story from 1816 about the Sandman. The old german Der Sandmann myth speaks of a monster that takes the eyes of children, which the protagonist Nathaniel ends up connecting with a lawyer called Coppelius, that seemingly always turns up when something horrible happens to Nathaniel. He ends up in a psychotic breakdown after seeing Coppelius in a crowd, and hurls himself off a building wailing "Pretty eyes! Pretty eyes!". The story was written by the author E.T.A. Hoffmann! Does this explain the Unexplained Connection? To me it certainly does... This might not be news to anyone, but I think that it speaks volumes about how some characters are researched by Wyrd and weaved into the narrative. Coppelius is a nasty character in the old story, and Malifauxs Coppelius is definitely my favorite model and character! So if you already knew, then this is just a shout-out to Wyrd from me about such a well-made setting and narrative, and if you didn't? Then wouldn't you agree with me that it is really cool?! *unwillingly curtseys* you, my friend are a legend. im gaping in awe at you right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxXhayzelXxx Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Then we shall see some eyeballs bounce ... bouncy bouncy bouncy... heehehe! this is fuuuuuuun. cant wait to get my dreamers set up and rolling. coppelly is awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leojond Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 Well done sir! I remember thinking that was extremely random when I looked at his stats. Never would have noticed that even If I did come across the story you mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hjelmen Posted November 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 *unwillingly curtseys* you, my friend are a legend. im gaping in awe at you right now. Thank you kindly I've got a good memory for that kind of detail, and I have loved ye olde gothick horror for a very long time! If only I could figure out how to apply that to my studies, I'd be much more productive... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunpowder saint Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 (edited) Me, Silver Chocobo and like 10 other people were tearing that book apart to determine weather or not Lucius and Coppelius are the same person. also we figured out that connection long ago >.> now the main topic of discussion is trying to prove that Copellius and Lucius are the same person. http://wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16448 Edited November 24, 2010 by gunpowder saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hjelmen Posted November 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 Good on ya for finding it too! It was news to me when I figured it out; rummaging through my old books for the old ETA Hoffmann book, so I thought I'd share. I couldn't find the thread you're linking to at the time and I'm a newb, so I haven't been here to hear the writer "confirm" anything ... and the thread isn't even two months old; I'd hardly call that "ages ago" Personally, I like the real explanation (if indeed this is the real one) better than "Lucius is Coppelius", but that's just me penchant for (references to) old horror stories showing. It's a great story, the old one, and I find it great that Wyrd has found it and weaved it into Malifaux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Ruckuss Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 I was reading through Karns excellent tactica for the Dreamer, while I was looking through Rising Powers. Karn mentions that he has no idea why Coppelius has an Unexplained Connection with Hoffmann, when I suddenly remembered something. Coppelius is the antagonist in an old german horror short story from 1816 about the Sandman. The old german Der Sandmann myth speaks of a monster that takes the eyes of children, which the protagonist Nathaniel ends up connecting with a lawyer called Coppelius, that seemingly always turns up when something horrible happens to Nathaniel. He ends up in a psychotic breakdown after seeing Coppelius in a crowd, and hurls himself off a building wailing "Pretty eyes! Pretty eyes!". The story was written by the author E.T.A. Hoffmann! Does this explain the Unexplained Connection? To me it certainly does... This might not be news to anyone, but I think that it speaks volumes about how some characters are researched by Wyrd and weaved into the narrative. Coppelius is a nasty character in the old story, and Malifauxs Coppelius is definitely my favorite model and character! So if you already knew, then this is just a shout-out to Wyrd from me about such a well-made setting and narrative, and if you didn't? Then wouldn't you agree with me that it is really cool?! And I thought i wouldnt like him any more. Thanks for the info!!!! Def one of my fav minis, and am going to have to build a crew around him at some point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkenstein Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 Ive wondered this; I was thinking along the lines that Hoffman's initial "C" stood for Copellius? On a related note, Collodi was the pen mane of the author of Pinocchio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hjelmen Posted December 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 On a related note, Collodi was the pen name of the author of Pinocchio. Cool! I didn't know that. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chev Chelios Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 I was reading through Karns excellent tactica for the Dreamer, while I was looking through Rising Powers. Karn mentions that he has no idea why Coppelius has an Unexplained Connection with Hoffmann, when I suddenly remembered something. Coppelius is the antagonist in an old german horror short story from 1816 about the Sandman. The old german Der Sandmann myth speaks of a monster that takes the eyes of children, which the protagonist Nathaniel ends up connecting with a lawyer called Coppelius, that seemingly always turns up when something horrible happens to Nathaniel. He ends up in a psychotic breakdown after seeing Coppelius in a crowd, and hurls himself off a building wailing "Pretty eyes! Pretty eyes!". The story was written by the author E.T.A. Hoffmann! Does this explain the Unexplained Connection? To me it certainly does... This might not be news to anyone, but I think that it speaks volumes about how some characters are researched by Wyrd and weaved into the narrative. Coppelius is a nasty character in the old story, and Malifauxs Coppelius is definitely my favorite model and character! So if you already knew, then this is just a shout-out to Wyrd from me about such a well-made setting and narrative, and if you didn't? Then wouldn't you agree with me that it is really cool?! Several odd connections there.Nathaniel=Nathan Caroland? Coppelius=Lucius' Lawyer Aid minion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinocchio Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 *clap clap* "all glory to the hypnotoad!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverectionist Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 one of my favourite things about this game is how they've discreetly woven in secret little un-expected things like the pide piper, Lady justice and pandoras box. clever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyPerez Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Could Coppelius be some how related to the slenderman legend? They seem kinds similar to his sandman story origin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blog Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Wyrd needs to make a Slenderman-esque minion. Just sayin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybaris Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Very interesting, and i am guessing there are many more of those ties to be found. The appearance of the Coppelius could be inspired a bit from Cthullu (tentacley horror) or even the Mind Flayers from that old game D&D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpeerson Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Don't forget that Malifaux also has Johnny cash in the game with the Sue model, and with the new gremlin Mercs in Storm book got Big trouble in little china characters as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fading Memory Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 One of the really cool things about Coppelius is his spells and abilities are taken straight from the story. Savor Delicasy, Remove Eye, Slumber, Crescent Moon all come from this passage "He is a wicked man, who comes to children when they won't go to bed, and throws a handful of sand into their eyes, so that they start out bleeding from their heads. He puts their eyes in a bag and carries them to the crescent moon to feed his own children, who sit in the nest up there. They have crooked beaks like owls so that they can pick up the eyes of naughty human children.' " Dying Dream here "I woke as from the sleep of death." Hallucinations here "I am almost ashamed to confess that he disturbed my healthy and usually peaceful sleep with all sorts of horrible visions." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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